Many false prophets have gone into the land. A desire for influence, wealth, fame and position has swept the body of Christ. Jezebel wants position, Jezebel wants the final say – Jezebel wants the spotlight. But Jehu is rising! To often, the attack on ministry has come from inside the church, not outside. But God's people who have not bowed their knees to Bael are standing up and saying 'no more!' Judgment begins in the house of God and spiritual wickedness seeks high places. But God is purging the threshing floor, God is revealing truth. Open your eyes and watch as lofty things are pulled down.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
The NCO comes to mind.
Dear Administrators and Admins,
Why is OP-Carl's comment allowed to stand? He is calling an organization that is predominantly Oneness "false prophets" and like "Jezebel." I thought we were not to stereotype or broadbrush entire organizations and ideologies?
You are correct, I have unfairly tarred the NCO with a broad brush. I didn't originally make it clear which lines of the paragraph caused me to think of the NCO; it wasn't the whole thing.
Technically, the NCO is not an organization. And technically, their ideology, or their complete lack thereof, only adds to the confusion about what they truly are or truly represent. The ideal of 'no doctrine' in practice becomes 'any doctrine.'
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Well of course doctrine matters, but if we are to be consistent NO organization should be bashed.
I was of the understanding that the NCO was a departure from an organization and was a fellowship network. Sort of how the UPCI was conceived with language that sought to be inclusive during a time of creating the UNITED Pentecostal Church. The idea that during God's formative process in each of us, we are endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace; this was the establishing premise for this new entity formed in 1945.
Organizations may demand or expect doctrinal fidelity but networks do not. The Full Gospel businessmen's fellowship comes to mind as an example. The ideas being pursued in NCO's efforts are being portrayed as "post denominal". Organizations are by definition denominated by some structure, whether it be an organizational hierarchy or a pledge of allegiance to the manual.
I apologize in advance if NCO is actually just the newest flavor of a man-club organization, I did not think it was promoting itself as such.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
Whatever it is promoting itself as, it seems the lines of distinction are as clear as mud.
But what are you looking to differentiate or to distinquish? Is it the doctrinal purity of the viewpoints of participants in a man-club? If you belong to the Elks and I belong to the Lions club, can we fellowship in the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship?
Since our organizational affiliations do not save us how much less do our fellowship networks send us to hell?
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
But what are you looking to differentiate or to distinquish? Is it the doctrinal purity of the viewpoints of participants in a man-club? If you belong to the Elks and I belong to the Lions club, can we fellowship in the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship?
Since our organizational affiliations do not save us how much less do our fellowship networks send us to hell?
I am not trying to ascertain a heaven or hell status. I hear much online and elsewhere how great this NCO is. However, it bothers me to see so much ambiguity as to what it is and what it is all about.
Ok, not saying this is what it is, but saying because of the info. I get, this is how it appears to me:
It's an organization without being an organization. A liberal AMC, if you please.
Doctrinal purity matters to me if I am going to be a part of anything. After the upcoming UPCI GC, three things could happen:
1. Pro tv vote, conservative elements leave.
2. Neg. tv vote, liberal elements leave.
3. Nothing changes.
Depending on which of these happens, and resulting events, I might be forced to make a choice. If it is charismatic or too far to the lib for me, it just won't work.
So then, these were not posts to determine it's heaven or hell issues, they were determining whether it was a fit for me. The answer is, no.
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But what are you looking to differentiate or to distinquish? Is it the doctrinal purity of the viewpoints of participants in a man-club? If you belong to the Elks and I belong to the Lions club, can we fellowship in the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship?
Since our organizational affiliations do not save us how much less do our fellowship networks send us to hell?
I wish I could write like tbpew. Sheesh, I might as well give up.
I wish I could write like tbpew. Sheesh, I might as well give up.
If tbpew is who some have thought he is, you will never keep up with him, and neither will I. Like his presentation or not, he is a genius. And that is meant with all sincerity.
If he is not who some think he is....well, maybe we have a chance!
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L.L.B.B.A.
Certified L.O.O.N.
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