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09-20-2010, 08:28 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
Fear does not draw anyone to God. Love, however does.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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Reason: Punctuation.
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09-20-2010, 08:32 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Fear does not draw anyone to God. Love, however does.
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The father of Lies and Fear was cast out by the ultimate example of Love ... God's Son ...at the Cross ...
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30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
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Jesus draws men unto Himself.
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09-20-2010, 08:32 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
speaking of light, implies there is a darkness. Speaking of heaven implies there is a hell. Speaking of salvation implies there is something to be saved from. Paul speaks of warning people...you don't warn people about good things but rather of bad things.
Jesus spoke about hell. Jesus spoke about sin.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-20-2010, 08:37 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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And tartaroō as well. I wonder sometimes if the hell we have created is even in Scripture. Have we hobbled together several different ideas to create hell and maybe some of those descriptions were only intended to make a point and not describe an actual place?
Why would the same writer use Hades in one place and Gehenna in another if he was referring to the same thing? especially considering the world they were writing to already had a very clear definition of Hades.
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Hades is just the place of the dead. Revelation says the dead are thrown into the Lake O Fire
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-20-2010, 08:38 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Fear does not draw anyone to God. Love, however does.
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Fear makes some people look at their lives and realize they need a savior. Love draws them to God
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-20-2010, 08:38 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Hades is just the place of the dead. Revelation says the dead are thrown into the Lake O Fire
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And yet Hades in various translations is rendered as hell ... and sometimes Hades/Hell scriptures used to formulate doctrine ...
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09-20-2010, 08:40 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Not in the long run. If you're timing is right you might catch a wave and produce a short term "revival" with it, but in the long run you will find that you really haven't added anyone to congregation itself; and you'll then often have an uphill battle trying to reframe the perception of your church and ministry in the community.
Been there, done that. I'm left wondering why folks keep doing it over and over again when it really produces no net results.
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Someone on FB remarked ... that thousands ... including himself ... came to Christ through the "threat of hell"
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09-20-2010, 08:48 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Someone on FB remarked ... that thousands ... including himself ... came to Christ through the "threat of hell"
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And maybe he did. But I think that particular person's view of God would be very interesting to say the least. "Interesting" as in, nothing like the way we see the God of John 3:16.
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09-20-2010, 08:50 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Fear makes some people look at their lives and realize they need a savior. Love draws them to God
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It does for some, Prax. But God's message is I love YOU so much, I sent MY son to die for YOUR sins. Out of His great love, He draws us to Him. That does not mean however, that we can sin without consequences. I don't think Hell as most believe it to be, was made to scare people to God. Fear is torment in and of itself. You can't live for God and live in that kind of fear.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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09-20-2010, 10:00 PM
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Re: Has Hell Disappeared?
Amazing how anyone could say its not profitable to teach the foundation doctrine of eternal judgment. If it were not of God and unprofitable Yeshua would not have taught it. He felt it was essential to warn people to flee from it. A Christian would not want to insult Jesus by saying his teaching was not good. If we ourselves dont teach it we are ashamed of his words.
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