UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 8

DAII · #71 07-13-2010, 10:57 AM

Too ... She is not guilty of slander....

I did not even bring up the issues of potential flirting pre-divorce ... I can list them if you like ....

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MissBrattified · #72 07-13-2010, 10:59 AM

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Prance around at a pool with mutual friends (s) ... the nerve.

It didn't sound like *friends*--it said a friend's husband. That's inappropriate in my book. If the girlfriend had been present, it might not have been so bad. The most they could have complained about was the bikini.

Either way, I think the pastor was way out of line and the lawsuit was justified, as far as the accusations of adultery, prostitution, bestiality, etc. go.

I'm just not willing to give the woman a free pass simply because the pastor was a big meanie.

DAII · #73 07-13-2010, 11:01 AM

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It didn't sound like *friends*--it said a friend's husband. That's inappropriate in my book. If the girlfriend had been present, it might not have been so bad. The most they could have complained about was the bikini.

Either way, I think the pastor was way out of line and the lawsuit was justified, as far as the accusations of adultery, prostitution, bestiality, etc. go.

I'm just not willing to give the woman a free pass simply because the pastor was a big meanie.

The news story simply states mutual friend saw her according to the pastor's accusation ... it does not state the setting ... how many were there ... if she had some type of covering over her.

The bikini story is not even verifiable ... or documented unless its in the court testimony as being acknowledged by the complainant.

Barb · #74 07-13-2010, 11:01 AM

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Too ... She is not ....

I did not even bring up the issues of potential flirting pre-divorce ... I can list them if you like ....

And why would you do such a thing? Is there anything to be gained? Is it any of our business?

"Whatsoever things are of a good report..."

It may be true, but is it of a good report...try thinking of THOSE things.

Scott Hutchinson · #75 07-13-2010, 11:02 AM

Sister Brattified I agree.

DAII · #76 07-13-2010, 11:03 AM

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And why would you do such a thing? Is there anything to be gained? Is it any of our business?

"Whatsoever things are of a good report..."

It may be true, but is it of a good report...try thinking of THOSE things.

The report is on the this thread of those posters who brought into question the possibility/innuendo of a relationship prior to the divorce ...

drummerboy_dave · #77 07-13-2010, 11:04 AM

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What difference does it make which daughter it was?

Bro. Fogarty made a huge mistake, but was always known to be a good man...a close friend of my brother. I met him only once at the funeral of my nephew.

Let us pray for all involved...this is not a happy time for anyone.

Amen. Conjecture and obsession are not benificial.

pelathais · #78 07-13-2010, 11:05 AM

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There's one even more scandalous of Renda ... on FB

Yeah. I saw this one. Sad. Truly sad.

pelathais · #79 07-13-2010, 11:22 AM

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The picture is on their church site ... and name listed on the Spiritual Abuse site and she is mentioned in the story and in the legal documents .... and her business being discussed in this thread by various posters who I can list ...

was asked a question and answered to the best of my knowledge.

Yeah, I know. Just "IMHO." I feel badly for the girl and her erstwhile beau. If they had some common sense leadership they would have been spared all of this. All it seems they were wanting to do was to quietly start a new life together without fingers being wagged in their faces. "Daddy" took charge of matters in the typical fashion and the whole thing became national news.

Unfortunately, these are the types of things that happen all the time. If the UPC would (finally!) embark on a program of training its ministers then we wouldn't see the leadership positions filled with a bunch of redneck yahoos running herd over THE LORD'S heritage.

MissBrattified · #80 07-13-2010, 11:24 AM

I agree with pel--leave the rest of the family out of this. There is absolutely no reason to associate them with this thread or news report. And that includes the new Mrs.

I've seen quite a few relationships over the years dissolve, and in several cases one or both spouses remarried very quickly. In fact, I believe I read a statistic one time that stated men are more likely to remarry quickly after a divorce or becoming a widower.

The implication that the pastor's daughter and the husband had an inappropriate relationship prior to the divorce is completely uncalled for, IMO.

Bottom line: The wife acted inappropriately, IF she was at the pool in a bikini with a friend's husband, especially if the friend wasn't also present. Even if the friend was present, there could still be some valid points raised regarding her behavior. Obviously, that simple act doesn't constitute fornication or adultery. However, to be fair, the article stated it was "one of the reasons" the pastor gave. I would personally like to know the other reasons.

Also, the pastor is guilty, mostly, of being WAY too vague. He addressed the whole issue of fornication, and went into a large definition, linked it to adultery, and then failed to state *which* act AD was guilty of. That is seriously bad judgment on his part, and it's basically why she won the case. Since he didn't specify which act she was guilty of, he effectively accused her of all of them in the eyes of the court. I'm thinking that he felt he needed to, since it was his daughter that wanted to date the newly divorced husband. Interesting that he didn't make this slanderous statement until well after the divorce was final.

Although I don't think we should sue one another over issues like this, I think the lawsuit was justified. Hopefully he'll try to be more prudent the next time he encounters this sort of situation. If the woman was guilty of immodesty or bad judgment, that could be addressed. To turn it into full-fledged sexual immorality and deviance is beyond the pale. Even if it was suspected, without evidence, you simply can't pursue the matter.

By the way, it was 7 months from the date of the divorce to the date of the new marriage. 3 months after the divorce, the pastor made the statement that the wife had committed some type of fornication and then said that his daughter and the ex were going to be romantically involved.

"According to the lawsuit, Fogarty made a statement about Driver in front of the congregation during a Tuesday night service July 25, 2006, before announcing that his daughter, Carrie Fogarty, and Driver’s ex-husband, James Driver, “were going to be romantically involved.” Carrie Fogarty and James Driver later married in November 2006, the lawsuit stated. Angela and James Driver had divorced in April 2006."