**** More TV Fallout - Another Ethics Question: Um, I thought ... ***

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD SOME FOLKS IN PENTECOST .... I'VE HEARD OF DISTRICT BOARDS THAT WON'T CONVICT A MINISTER FOR IMMORALITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO VIDEO .... I SUSPECT THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS A VIDEO ... SOME WOULD REQUIRE THE PLAYERS IN THE VIDEO TO PROVIDE ID'S IN IT.

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Use of all caps is considered shouting.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by meBNme

So in other words, Yes it is all speculation, gossip and hearsay, and no, nothing about them leaving has been proven or confirmed.


Thanks for clarifying that.

Don't say you confused Hype with Facts and dispelled Rumor again!

[Brother Price]

May I ask why the focus on so many men leaving the UPC? If they leave, let them. If they stay, let them. The thing is that we need to continue in the work of evangelizing the lost and leading them to Christ.

I am sad to see such a division. I hope it is more hype than actuality, but I fear it is not so.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sir, your posting in this thread is an oxymoron waiting to happen ...

Can you clarify this ... cause it's making my head spin ....

as opposed to UNFACTUAL TRUTH?

OKAY ????? UM .... HERE'S SOME FACTUAL SUBSTANTIATED PROOF THAT PERHAPS IN A FEW YEARS MAY CONFIRM OR PROVE SOMEBODY IS LEAVING/DEPARTING/GOING TO THE ULTRA-CON ORG.

ALL WE'VE STATED IS THAT SOME ARE LEAVING AND FORMING A LOOSE FELLOWSHIP ... AGAIN SOME OF THE FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT THE FORMATION ARE BEING CORROBORATED ON BOTH SIDES .... LAST I LOOKED COURTS OF LAW USE CORROBORATING CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS PROOF.

IT MAY REQUIRE HOWEVER ... SOMETHING WE LIKE TO CALL AN INFERENCE.

SURELY YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY OF NOTED CONS LIKE DEAN'S AND COONSKINNER'S ASSERTIONS THAT THE ORG WILL BE OFFERING LICENSES AND MEMBERSHIP ... LIES OR UNFACTUAL TRUTH? WOULD YA?













I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD SOME FOLKS IN PENTECOST .... I'VE HEARD OF DISTRICT BOARDS THAT WON'T CONVICT A MINISTER FOR IMMORALITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO VIDEO .... I SUSPECT THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS A VIDEO ... SOME WOULD REQUIRE THE PLAYERS IN THE VIDEO TO PROVIDE ID'S IN IT.

Originally Posted by pelathais

MBM, there is an ongoing effort by a relatively small number of men to try and create a bigger snowball effect. I have spoken to only a couple of guys that are leaving the UPC and my contact is somewhat limited because I haven't run with that crowd for many years. But they want very much to see 1,000's of ministers leave.

I remember hearing the man who authored the 1992 AS resolution saying at that time, "Every now and then every movement needs a bowel movement..." There are others on this board who heard the same statement.

Ironically, after likening their own brethren to excrement in those terms some are now happily exiting themselves. You are commendable in wanting to give every benefit of the doubt to men that you hold as brothers. But be wary, not all of them consider you a brother. And in their private conversations you may be something far worse.

But don't take my word for it. Ask them yourself. The coordinators have stated from the start that they want to form a new org in Tulsa. There may be logistical and political obstacles but they are prepared to keep working until they an org can be formed that suits their needs.

Mainly it has to have elected offices for everyone who lost a tight election in the UPC. That, and something about shirt sleeves.

BUMP

[meBNme]

DA, I will certainly get to it Bro. (that and a few others) To many things going on at once right now.

[dizzyde]

DA, just a note on the beginning topic, I did ask someone that was on the committee yesterday about the alleged agreement to stay regardless of the outcome of the vote. He said he has no knowledge of such an agreement, no one ever said that to him. Just FYI, since you were asking if it had in fact been a requirement.