So it begins

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think Russia’s use of preemptive strikes against countries desiring to enter NATO is having the opposite strategic effect. More countries are going to join NATO to protect themselves from Russian aggression. Looks like Russia may have been a bit shortsighted on this one.

The world can clearly see that Russia doesn’t attack NATO countries. Only non-NATO ones.

2013, this whole issue goes back to 2013. Then we have a political coup orchestrated by the United States in 2014. Where Biden was instrumental, so much in fact that he got his loser drug addict son a job (in title only) with a gas company in Western Ukraine. Crimea held legal democratic elections to leave Ukraine. When the West and the United States called the elections fake, they had the elections again. The people voted to separate from Ukraine. I'm just saying there is more than meets the eye on this issue, and we are being sold a bill of goods to get us involved with a situation that isn't Muammar Gadhafi, where Hillary Clinton cackled "we came, we saw, and we KILLED him" Nor, is it Saddam Hussain hiding in a hole with a month's growth of beard. To be dragged in front of a puppet court and hanged. This is Russia, and we aren't just going to walk in there without having our young men and women killed. Christian nation? You want to talk about Christain nation? Then where is the want to deescalate? To attempt to do everything in our Christian power to seek peace? First question should be, what about the protesters Eastern Ukrainians who were burned to death in Odessa? Why did the Pro Ukrainians block the protestors inside the building, then burn everyone inside? Why did the new government make it a law that no Russian was allowed to be spoken? NATO is just one piece of the pie, this issue is a tad more complex then what your television is telling you. I pray to Jesus that this country wakes up. But alas COVID 19 sent Pentecostals running for the hills, and I can see this conflict over in the Ukraine might be their nail in the coffin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Europe was devastated for a hundred years over religion, Catholics, protestants, state mandated religion. The founders didn't want a state mandated religion, but wanted people to have freedom to worship according to their convictions.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

2013, this whole issue goes back to 2013. Then we have a political coup orchestrated by the United States in 2014. Where Biden was instrumental, so much in fact that he got his loser drug addict son a job (in title only) with a gas company in Western Ukraine. Crimea held legal democratic elections to leave Ukraine. When the West and the United States called the elections fake, they had the elections again. The people voted to separate from Ukraine. I'm just saying there is more than meets the eye on this issue, and we are being sold a bill of goods to get us involved with a situation that isn't Muammar Gadhafi, where Hillary Clinton cackled "we came, we saw, and we KILLED him" Nor, is it Saddam Hussain hiding in a hole with a month's growth of beard. To be dragged in front of a puppet court and hanged. This is Russia, and we aren't just going to walk in there without having our young men and women killed. Christian nation? You want to talk about Christain nation? Then where is the want to deescalate? To attempt to do everything in our Christian power to seek peace? First question should be, what about the protesters Eastern Ukrainians who were burned to death in Odessa? Why did the Pro Ukrainians block the protestors inside the building, then burn everyone inside? Why did the new government make it a law that no Russian was allowed to be spoken? NATO is just one piece of the pie, this issue is a tad more complex then what your television is telling you. I pray to Jesus that this country wakes up. But alas COVID 19 sent Pentecostals running for the hills, and I can see this conflict over in the Ukraine might be their nail in the coffin.

Yep!!

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Whether the USA can currently be called a "Christian nation" is debatable. However, it was founded s a Christian nation because the 13 sovereign states that founded the Union were indeed Christian.

That's where yourself and I are going to disagree. I do not believe that the founding fathers were believers. Understanding that "believers" would be to those that have submitted to Acts 2:38, believe in One God, etc. There may have been many believers in the beginning of this nation, they may have fought in the war, and even participated in the first election of this country. Yet, in my opinion the founding fathers were not christians.

Originally Posted by Amanah

Europe was devastated for a hundred years over religion, Catholics, protestants, state mandated religion. The founders didn't want a state mandated religion, but wanted people to have freedom to worship according to their convictions.

I agree with this sis. Yet, just because the founding fathers and the government built this nation around the biblical principal that men and women have a free will. This country was founded on "Freedom of Religion" not BUILT on a specific religion. Because let's be honest, if this was built on Biblical Christianity, there would be no room for other false religions. Meaning, Islam would not be able to worship Allah, because as Christians we are not to have any other God beside the one true God.

So, yes this country was built on freedom of religion, yet, this country is in no wise a christian nation. Never was, and it was never meant to be.

[diakonos]

Deists.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Deists.

A few.

[Esaias]

The nation was founded as 13 distinct countries in a Union. It was a generally and nominally Protestant Christian nation, just read the original colonial charters and state constitutions and their laws. Then the Constitutional Convention was promoted and pushed by the banksters and their men (I'm looking at you, Hamilton) and the nation was subverted into a distinctly NON Christian centralised federal union with loopholes galore designed to give us EXACTLY what we have right now - the Empire of Globohomo run by the District of Criminal Clowns.

The subversion was planned before 1776. The PTBs of the day could see where things were headed, so they got ahead of the rising tide of anti-Parliament sentiment and hijacked the Revolution. Look at who signed the Treaty of Peace and actually read what was agreed to.

Then you can connect the dots and you'll figure out why you pay "social security" taxes and why EVERY President is part of the extended Royal family of Great Britain. And why everything is the way it is.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The nation was founded as 13 distinct countries in a Union. It was a generally and nominally Protestant Christian nation, just read the original colonial charters and state constitutions and their laws. Then the Constitutional Convention was promoted and pushed by the banksters and their men (I'm looking at you, Hamilton) and the nation was subverted into a distinctly NON Christian centralised federal union with loopholes galore designed to give us EXACTLY what we have right now - the Empire of Globohomo run by the District of Criminal Clowns.

The subversion was planned before 1776. The PTBs of the day could see where things were headed, so they got ahead of the rising tide of anti-Parliament sentiment and hijacked the Revolution. Look at who signed the Treaty of Peace and actually read what was agreed to.

Then you can connect the dots and you'll figure out why you pay "social security" taxes and why EVERY President is part of the extended Royal family of Great Britain. And why everything is the way it is.

And you'll also start to see what 1812 and 1861-1865 and Reconstruction were really all about.

And 1913, 1929, 1932, and so on ad nauseum.

[Esaias]

The original Revolution was a continuation of the Scottish rebellion under the Covenanters, but goes back even further to Bonnie Prince Charlie. The Revolution was hijacked by Deists and a particular branch of Freemasonry and turned into a Mason's war between two rival factions or Lodges, essentially. They agreed on a compromise just like mob factions agree, in order to keep the "business" going. The Crown had debts to pay, and they are still getting paid today.

And it goes back further. There is nothing new under the sun, all of western history is one big interconnected multi generational power struggle between several factions of "the Elite" (tm) who have been at it since the days of Noah (literally) and earlier.

The Church is God's monkey wrench in the whole mess. Lately though much of the Church seems to have taken siesta and forgot to get back on the clock.

[Evang.Benincasa]

I'm done Arshad!