The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by whollyHis

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Acts 2.21 "And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be SAVED!

Romans 5.10 "For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, MUCH MORE, having been reconciled, we shall be SAVED by His life".

Roman 8.7-9 "For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were STILL sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, HAVING NOW BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, we shall be saved from the wrath through Him.

I Timothy 4.10 "For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, ESPECIALLY OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE. THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.

God is the author and the finisher of our faith, it is by Him and through Him that we have salvation. Your salvation is not in your hands it is in His hands, you can enter into salvation thru faith, or He will bring you to it thru fire. You are the creation of God and He will redeem all. In the process He is and will burn up all evil and wickedness, but He is not going to "torment endlessly" any of His children.

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Was this a hiss? What does this mean?

Thou knowest.

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Phil ... if you like I can be Ron's scapegoat ... Why not play w/ a while ...

Originally Posted by Ronzo

No, Phil. I don't.

I've thrown the idea of there being any absolutes completely out the window.





















Well, is that what you expected to hear? If so, then feel free to believe it.

If it's not what you expected to hear, then please feel free to take it in the spirit in which it was meant... which was to convey the hurt in my heart that you actually believe that simply because I don't see things exactly the way you do... I have thrown everything biblical out the window.

You want to know where this posting style comes from? There it is... right there. It's on the table.

Ron,

that was not what I meant to imply. Boy am I doing a poor job of trying to mend a breach that is very important to me. It was my intent for the question to be rhetorical. It is obvious that you believe in absolutes. I was simply asking for permission to hold to mine without you judging me to be a condemner of everyone else.

I actually know of no one that believes every jot and tittle just like I do. That is not necessary for friendship or fellowship. Neither should disagreement be a cause for prejudicial attitudes. I have observed that you have altered some of your positions but I certainly have not ceased to consider you my brother.

You are very important to me and I would hope that our friendship transcends differences in beliefs.

I truly love you and Dee and count myself blessed to have had your friendship! I hope you feel the same!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

You brethren can use the Word of God as a measuring stick, certainly, and you have every right to declare someone lost if they do not measure up. I simply will not and cannot do so. I believe that we must leave these hypotheticals in the hands of God. He knows where there heart was, and what their intention was. He has been known to impute some things by faith--even when the person did not necessarily deserve it. I shall leave the imputing to Him.

Since the death of Christ, God is NOT imputing our sins against us, however He is calling us to enter into the salvation that is already ours (Romans 5.10).

Paul call the message, the gospel of reconciliation. You will not find Paul declaring anyone, anywhere hell bound.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by whollyHis

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Seems your question is going unanswered so I'll take a stab at it. First of all, one of the problems in having a rational discussion here are definitions. Seems everyone has a different definaition to the word "saved". Yo me (an this is strictly how I defines the word, "saved" is that condition of the soul that has been forgiven of sin. I guess my definition is based on the old "saved, sanctifies and Holy Ghost filled" premise of days gone by. The word saved, to me means a person whose sin has been forgiven at repentance. And, yes, I do believe forgiveness of sins is obtained at repentance, just as the UPCI Articles of Faith state. I am not UPCI but do happen to agree witg their stated view that our sins are forgiven when we repent. They do not necessarily agree with their own Articles of Faith on this issue, but, I do.

I believe the Blood of Christ covers our sin when we repent. His blood is applied, if you will, when we repent, when we die to sin. Once we are washed in His Blood, then, as an act of obedience to the Word of God, we are submit to water baptism according to Acts 2:38. When God sees fit (whether before baptism, or after) we can be filled with the Holy Ghost as stated in Acts 2:4.

I believe, should a person die after repentance (prior to water baptism), he will be saved. However, if he is given the opportunity to be baptized, as an act of obedience to the Word of God, he must be baptized in water in Jesus' Name. I do not agree that forgiveness of sins is obtained through water baptism.

Of course, we are saved through Jesus Name. There is only one name given among men whereby we are saved. Everything, all that we have, all that we are, is because of the Name of Jesus.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Phil ... if you like I can be Ron's scapegoat ... Why not play w/ a while ...

Huh?

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

Seems your question is going unanswered so I'll take a stab at it. First of all, one of the problems in having a rational discussion here are definitions. Seems everyone has a different definaition to the word "saved". Yo me (an this is strictly how I defines the word, "saved" is that condition of the soul that has been forgiven of sin. I guess my definition is based on the old "saved, sanctifies and Holy Ghost filled" premise of days gone by. The word saved, to me means a person whose sin has been forgiven at repentance. And, yes, I do believe forgiveness of sins is obtained at repentance, just as the UPCI Articles of Faith state. I am not UPCI but do happen to agree witg their stated view that our sins are forgiven when we repent. They do not necessarily agree with their own Articles of Faith on this issue, but, I do.

I believe the Blood of Christ covers our sin when we repent. His blood is applied, if you will, when we repent, when we die to sin. Once we are washed in His Blood, then, as an act of obedience to the Word of God, we are submit to water baptism according to Acts 2:38. When God sees fit (whether before baptism, or after) we can be filled with the Holy Ghost as stated in Acts 2:4.

I believe, should a person die after repentance (prior to water baptism), he will be saved. However, if he is given the opportunity to be baptized, as an act of obedience to the Word of God, he must be baptized in water in Jesus' Name. I do not agree that forgiveness of sins is obtained through water baptism.

Of course, we are saved through Jesus Name. There is only one name given among men whereby we are saved. Everything, all that we have, all that we are, is because of the Name of Jesus.

Amen ... OneAccord ....

Originally Posted by philjones

I truly love you and Dee and count myself blessed to have had your friendship! I hope you feel the same!

The feeling is mutual.

Consider this water under the bridge, at least that's the way I see it on my side of the bridge.

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Originally Posted by philjones

Huh?

If you like I can with you ... it seems you like you've turned your attention to Ronzo ... so WASSUP