Are the Godairs leaving? - Page 7

SDG · #61 11-28-2007, 10:32 AM

Calling folks up ... asking them to leave when you haven't ... while acting secretive and asking the recruitee not to tell his leadership .... IS UNETHICAL ... AND IT'S HAPPENING.

SDG · #62 11-28-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Then there is that.

AND THEN THERE'S THIS ...

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

AM was stating a position he held on a forthcoming legal resolution ... everyone had the opportunity and right to state their view on their own platforms...

Seems the UC's even wrote a book prior to GC expressing their views ON THE RESOLUTION ... mailed it out to the entire fellowship as was their right....

It's amazing that the rule of law crowd has such bitterness and disdain for the legality of the resolution process and the freedoms to express divergent views.

embonpoint · #63 11-28-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Surely you do not think the two are equal? One is to disrupt the organization and the other is to strengthen.

Some would contend that both have been or will be disruptive.

Steve Epley · #64 11-28-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So then when faced w/ a dilemma you can still act honorably when leaving or in disagreement

... the org changed but their commitments to act civilly and ethically when leaving or disagreeing should not.

Dan what has been done that is not civil or ethical? These guys have been sending mailers for their meetings for years as with others in the org. I have not heard ONE uncivil comment from a sponser have you? Dan you wear blinders you praise Yadon-Sabin-Gillespie and company who followed their conscience yet condemn these guys. The ONLY difference one group has a plan and other others did not now look at them. They are all over the spectrum. The difference is leadership or the lack thereof. These guys are determined not to craw off in a ditch and die. My thoughts. I have heard it expressed they wished they had been more organized but the missed their chance. These guys have foresight whether you agree with them or not. And I do not have a dog in this fight. I am not going to join them however I will go to the meeting.TLW

SDG · #65 11-28-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan what has been done that is not civil or ethical? These guys have been sending mailers for their meetings for years as with others in the org. I have not heard ONE uncivil comment from a sponser have you? Dan you wear blinders you praise Yadon-Sabin-Gillespie and company who followed their conscience yet condemn these guys. The ONLY difference one group has a plan and other others did not now look at them. They are all over the spectrum. The difference is leadership or the lack thereof. These guys are determined not to craw off in a ditch and die. My thoughts. I have heard it expressed they wished they had been more organized but the missed their chance. These guys have foresight whether you agree with them or not. And I do not have a dog in this fight. I am not going to join them however I will go to the meeting.TLW

AND ONCE AGAIN THERE'S LEAVING RIGHT AND LEAVING WRONG ... these guys are playing PIED PIPER while still dilly-dallying w/ their cards. They don't do it themselves but their underlings have followed leadership's cue.

embonpoint · #66 11-28-2007, 10:49 AM

Fact: The organization has already been disrupted. Not by the Tulsa meeting but by the vote at GC.

Could it be that the organizers of the Tulsa meeting simply recognize this fact and are trying to mitigate some of the damage to the work of God (not to be confused with the organization) this disruption will cause. Particularly areas like missions which is made more effective typically with some form of coordination/organization.

These men could stand by and gloat over the damage to the org and ignore some of the far reaching effects or try to help to find ways to help the work of God in the midst of the chaos.

Btw has is been established that men would have to leave the UPC to participate with group? If not how will that hurt the organization? Are we all still just speculating?

embonpoint · #67 11-28-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

AM was stating a position he held on a forthcoming legal resolution ... everyone had the opportunity and right to state their view on their own platforms...

Seems the UC's even wrote a book prior to GC expressing their views ... mailed it out to the entire fellowship as was their right....

It's amazing that the rule of law crowd has such bitterness and disdain for the legality of the resolution process and the freedoms to express divergent views.

Sorry, I know that I am a little slow but I like to stick to one subject at a time.

The issue we were discussing was not the right of anyone to express their opinion on their own platform, but the use of the UPCI directory as a mailing list to invite others to hear their opinion. I believe AM had every right to express his opinion. I just don't think he is the only one.

I believe that just as AM had a right to invite UPCI ministers to a meeting and express his opinion on the TV issue the organizers of the Tulsa meeting have a right to invite ministers to discuss events affecting the kingdom of God. I believe they are paying the rent on the building, so this would make it "their own platform."

It does not appear from here that it is the "rule of law" folks that are trying to squelch free expression of divergent views.

Steve Epley · #68 11-28-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Calling folks up ... asking them to leave when you haven't ... while acting secretive and asking the recruitee not to tell his leadership .... IS UNETHICAL ... AND IT'S HAPPENING.

You KNOW this has happened??? I guess everyone in Pentecost knows about the Tulsa meeting what is secret about that? You don't think KH knows about his brother-in-law?

Many on here are NOT even in UPC churches and you know how secret is that?

Sending invitations to Pentecostal preachers all across the country both in and out of the UPC how secret is that?

SDG · #69 11-28-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You KNOW this has happened??? I guess everyone in Pentecost knows about the Tulsa meeting what is secret about that? You don't think KH knows about his brother-in-law?

Many on here are NOT even in UPC churches and you know how secret is that?

Sending invitations to Pentecostal preachers all across the country both in and out of the UPC how secret is that?

I mean secretive when phoning/chatting w others as to follow-up and asking them to join and/or leave.