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I ask again, what is the fetish with Bro Reckart?? You come in here to a conversation that has nothing to do with him and take a swipe at him.
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Yeah, Reckart is irrelevant, but the point is made that well-meaning children of God do disagree - even on our understanding of soteriology (some include sleeve length). In the end we should be able to say "It is POSSIBLE, even if not likely, that we may be wrong in our conclusions of scripture.
In my case - I know for certain I am wrong in some areas (I have never been good on lottery winings) and rely wholly on Christ and his work on the cross to make up my shortcomings while I prayerfully sort it all out.
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11-24-2007, 04:05 PM
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Have you ever met the man? Have you ever sat down and talked with him? Its easy to judge from a distance a mans heart.
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I don't know his heart and I strongly suspect that he has some real pain in his past. Whether from family, so-called friends, or some apostolic experience. But I also doubt that Hitler could be excused if it was found he was molested as a child......
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11-24-2007, 05:07 PM
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Pelathais,
You can blame some of it on 'editting' but not all of it. They didn't edit out many of the very knowledgeable statements of Bro. Sabin. Many of the Trinitarians I know of do not consider 'oneness' people "Heretics" and they are more apt to call us brothers than oneness folks are in the reverse.
Debates are good if done in the right spirit to bring a set of knowledge truths to the table to look at and make consessions when found to be in err. Many Trinitarians, like many of us desire to have and know more truths...it is a process. If we hunger and thirst after righteousness...we will find it.
It is when we close our minds to anything other than what we think or know that we become stagnant. The Bible declares that we all see through a glass darkly. All includes Apostolics as well as Trinitarians. We should be more united in searching truths than in declaring others wrong and going to hell.
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Excellent thoughts, Rhoni.
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11-24-2007, 05:23 PM
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I am just curious here, why hasn't there been any prolific debates between academics in the UPC and mainstream like the one we are talking about that took place, what, 25 years ago?
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11-24-2007, 05:36 PM
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Excellent thoughts, Rhoni.
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11-24-2007, 05:46 PM
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I am just curious here, why hasn't there been any prolific debates between academics in the UPC and mainstream like the one we are talking about that took place, what, 25 years ago?
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Carpenter,
This is a good question! I think that our church atmosphere has changed. We have a few really deep 'word' preachers, but much of our services tend to be heavy on the music side and light on the doctrine.
I have always been more partial to the word myself. I could sit and listen to A.D. Spears, TFT, Dr. Jeffers, Anthony Ballestero, and many others for hours at a time because they study and have heavy anointing on them.
I have always felt cheated when people shout the roof down and the word is dismissed. There is a lack of study and deep teaching that we had back in the day.
I enjoy the discussions of many of the elders, men and women on this forum. I apologize if you think I don't respect the word being discussed by ultra-conservatives to liberals..ultra-liberals might not exactly fit into my way of thinking. I tend to be moderate.
ABI was always a word Bible College. JCM was more music but Bro. Craft brought in many good preachers for revival. I ate those services up. IBC has some good word teachers but overall...there aren't as many Apostolic apologists, or word studiers or preachers as there seemed to be back in the day...or I am just too spoiled from all the good things I have heard taught and preached that I expect too much.
Sincerely, Rhoni
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11-24-2007, 06:14 PM
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I am just curious here, why hasn't there been any prolific debates between academics in the UPC and mainstream like the one we are talking about that took place, what, 25 years ago?
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I think debating in general is not popular today. It may have something to do with the internet culture. I would be in favor of an entire symposium of intentionally balanced exchanges with the AOG. I wonder if they would be in favor of this? I know there is some resistance on our side at the present.
David Bernard did have a debate a couple years ago that was a nice well-balanced exchage devoid of any name calling or emotional ellicted responses some other debates were characterized by.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2007, 06:20 PM
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I think debating in general is not popular today. It may have something to do with the internet culture. I would be in favor of an entire symposium of intentionally balanced exchanges with the AOG. I wonder if they would be in favor of this? I know there is some resistance on our side at the present.
David Bernard did have a debate a couple years ago that was a nice well-balanced exchage devoid of any name calling or emotional ellicted responses some other debates were characterized by.
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David Bernard is good and very knowledgeable. He and TIMLAN would make quite a debate pair. Sure wish TIMLAN would get back in the flow of the spirit.
Blessings, Rhoni
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11-24-2007, 08:39 PM
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I would surely hope that this is edited a lot, because this is some of the most pitiful stuff I have seen. WHY not just answer the question as stated. NO, he is not my brother because he has not responded to the gospel in obedience to Acts 2:38. |
I don't think that part is edited. Why no answer it? I think I give a good reason why. They were here for a discussion on the bible basis of the Godhead, not for personal opinions on someone's salvation. It's ironic that we just had a discussion on not judging.
By saying trinitarians are lost they effectively biased most of the audience there and future audiences on TV or video against our views. That was WM's purpose in asking before everyone and perhaps NUs reluctance to say they are all going to hell.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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11-24-2007, 08:41 PM
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He gave the pat answer most moderates give when faced w/ this answer .... a confusing ...."I'm not God ... He's the judge but I just preach what the bible says."
They are either saved or not ....
Those who try to appear open-minded but obviously do not see others as saved seem hypocritical and disingenuous IMO .... Just say no or yes.
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how about "I honestly don't know, I could be wrong on God's requirements"?
Or how about "I honestly believe there will be others saved outside this message but since this is God's word I would not advise someone willfully ignore it"?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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