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Carpenter · #61 11-10-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpenter

HA!! You think that AFF has any kind of influence on what ministers preach?

Man, you thinketh too highly of us.

Beat you to the punch there Coonskinner friend.

Coonskinner · #62 11-10-2007, 05:10 PM

Folks who are wondering why a lot of folks have been spending less time around here could use this thread as a case in point.

rooted · #63 11-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Several years ago those advocating for TV advertising were discouraged when the matter was shot down...yet...I do not remember hearing any possible chaos resulting in a large number of progressive ministers leaving or even considering leaving... seems to me that there is a rotten spirit at the root of this whole debacle...

Pastor G · #64 11-10-2007, 05:14 PM

I tried to retract mine but was not quick enough... Sorry..

Carpenter · #65 11-10-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Folks who are wondering why a lot of folks have been spending less time around here could use this thread as a case in point.

Coonskinner, take a look at my new thread...maybe it will help/be different/put you to sleep.

Pastor G · #66 11-10-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rooted

Several years ago those advocating for TV advertising were discouraged when the matter was shot down...yet...I do not remember hearing any possible chaos resulting in a large number of progressive ministers leaving or even considering leaving... seems to me that there is a rotten spirit at the root of this whole debacle...

Yes... The pro advertising crowd didn't do this when they lost... In fact the pro-crowd was quiet and respectful when it went through this year... I was told by several of the con crowd that had it not gone through there would have been a lot of hooting and hollering..

Carpenter · #67 11-10-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

Yes... The pro advertising crowd didn't do this when they lost... In fact the pro-crowd was quiet and respectful when it went through this year... I was told by several of the con crowd that had it not gone through there would have been a lot of hooting and hollering..

I can't imagine that a room full of men with integrity and dignity would outwardly celebrate such a silly issue.

I can imagine however some simple minded folks hooting and hollering because of some bigger issue, however the AS resolution pretty much took care of those guys anyway and a long time ago.

Thad · #68 11-10-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

Yes... The pro advertising crowd didn't do this when they lost... In fact the pro-crowd was quiet and respectful when it went through this year... I was told by several of the con crowd that had it not gone through there would have been a lot of hooting and hollering..

There was a group That was going to leave anyways

If you think about it, the UPC is fragmenting into 3 groups:

Those who remain UPC, The far right and the Tulsa group

Kansas Preacher · #69 11-10-2007, 05:32 PM

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According to what the DS of Mo. told the brethren there... This is an illegal meeting in the UPC... Because the DS of OKlahoma has not been contacted, neither has the Presbyter of the Tulsa area been contacted and so on... So if they are going about having it in a way that is not according to protocol, one would assume that something is going on other than just a innocent gathering...

There is nothing "illegal" if the men who put the meeting together are no longer in the UPC (which I know for a fact some of them will not be). They are not bound by the manual.

Furthermore, if they are not "preaching" for a non-UPC pastor in the area, there is nothing in the manual that requires notifying the presbyter, DS, or anyone else. When the National Youth Division brought a meeting to Kansas a few years ago, no one contacted me (I was DS then) OR the presbyter about it. In fact, they didn't even ask the local pastor. They just did it.

Complaining about this meetings seems like a double standard in my opinion.

Kansas Preacher · #70 11-10-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

Yes... The pro advertising crowd didn't do this when they lost... In fact the pro-crowd was quiet and respectful when it went through this year... I was told by several of the con crowd that had it not gone through there would have been a lot of hooting and hollering..

Nonsense. I don't believe that for a minute. People were also saying we were going to "throw our cards on the platform and stomp out." None of that happened, either.