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09-11-2007, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
Every thread you start is to slam Oneness Pentecostals. You ain't foolin anyone.
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very Christ like... the very thing that chased Willy Jacks away.
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09-11-2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rico
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
Mark 16:16 (KJV)
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Mark 16:8-20 were not in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. I probably wouldn't base my doctrine on them. Most bibles have this in their footnotes.
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09-11-2007, 02:04 PM
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I lean heavily toward Adino's statement below. Another way to capture this is a seal or sign pointing to the one who saves (Jesus). I have all but abandoned the notion that the physical act of baptism is a heaven or hell issue. You would have to ignore a lot of scripture to conclude such.
NT saving faith was to be directed to God THROUGH Christ. Baptism was the time when an individual was to openly declare his repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
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09-11-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
very Christ like... the very thing that chased Willy Jacks away.
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Now guys don't be starting with the "oh how Christ like" stuff cuz you ALL do it...Oneness and Trinitarian.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
Mark 16:8-20 were not in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts. I probably wouldn't base my doctrine on them. Most bibles have this in their footnotes.
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Not the "two oldest most reliable manuscripts" lie again. Believer, these manuscripts are spurious, to say the least! When the footnotes speak of certain passages not being in the earliest manuscripts, they are referring to the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. If one would research the origins of these codices, one would learn that the Vaticanus was found on a shelf in the Vatican library without any knowledge as to where it came from or how it got there. The Sinaiticus was found in a trash bin in a Catholic monastery on Mount Sinai and was used to start fires there!
Two oldest? Sure! But who said older was more accurate? The Catholic church is older than any denomination around today. Does that mean it is better?
there are two strains of MSS that came to us today. The Catholic Alexandrian starin and the Received text strain. The TWO OLDEST are Catholic.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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09-11-2007, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Beard
Yes, baptisms are plural in Hebrews 6:1,2. There is baptism in water and baptism in the Holy Ghost; you must be born of the water of of the Spirit which are not synanymous, but two distinct baptisms. |
There is also the baptism of death. MANY baptisms exist.
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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09-11-2007, 05:15 PM
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It says doctrine of baptism....doctrine is singular. One doctrine they had
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Now guys don't be starting with the "oh how Christ like" stuff cuz you ALL do it...Oneness and Trinitarian.
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Have I slamed anyone this forum Prax?
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09-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Not the "two oldest most reliable manuscripts" lie again. Believer, these manuscripts are spurious, to say the least! When the footnotes speak of certain passages not being in the earliest manuscripts, they are referring to the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. If one would research the origins of these codices, one would learn that the Vaticanus was found on a shelf in the Vatican library without any knowledge as to where it came from or how it got there. The Sinaiticus was found in a trash bin in a Catholic monastery on Mount Sinai and was used to start fires there!
Two oldest? Sure! But who said older was more accurate? The Catholic church is older than any denomination around today. Does that mean it is better?
there are two strains of MSS that came to us today. The Catholic Alexandrian starin and the Received text strain. The TWO OLDEST are Catholic.
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My point is, I wouldn't build my doctrine on these few passages because they are in dispute of their trustworthiness.
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09-11-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Believer
Have I slamed anyone this forum Prax?
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On THIS forum, you have not been any better than what Rico posted. Yes you have had your moments of pejorative terms as well as others, but as you would read I made my comments to EVERYONE Oneness and Trinitarian. Let's not act like it's just the Oneness here doing so.
That is NOT going to happen. Even the quips about someone else here being not christ like is seen as a swipe. So I am saying to everyone, let's not go there with the finger pointing.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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