Oneness and Trinitarian Unity? - Page 7

Steve Epley · #61 04-17-2007, 08:47 AM

David said the Lord is MY shepherd was he wrong???????????

Thomas said MY Lord and MY God was he wrong?

Jack Shephard · #62 04-17-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

I think I'm done here. I don't know how you can justify the Jesus they worship as being the same even though 1) he is a DIFFERENT person than you (I think) and I worship and 2) he is the #2 man and not the #1 man (that I worship).

You are talking in circles. Jesus is God, period. What else do you need to know? He has the Father office, the Son office, and the HG office residing with in Him. There is but one Lord, one Faith and one Baptism. I do not see how you think that I do not see Jesus as the Saviour and God of this world. You are talking as if you are Jesus only instead of Jesus everything. You are tripping around.

OGIA · #63 04-17-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You are talking in circles.

Yeah, and there are two people in it.

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Jesus is God, period. What else do you need to know?

I need to know and DO KNOW how He is God. For the most part, that is one thing trinitarians don't know -- how Jesus Christ is God.

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You are talking as if you are Jesus only instead of Jesus everything.

What's the difference? If something is the only thing, isn't it also everything?

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You are tripping around.

Must be the LSD years ago!!

Brother Price · #64 04-17-2007, 09:06 AM

Jesus is the Father - Apostolic
Jesus is not the Father - Pagan

Enough said.

ChicagoPastor · #65 04-17-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I have it first hand while sitting at lunch with three TOP AOG leaders in Springfield that they have no problem with Oneness believers within their ranks. In fact, there are a (very small) number of their own ministers that are Oneness and have been in their ranks since 1916 that never left. All of this came as a total shock to me. I was further shocked to learn that they have no problem with the Oneness stance just as long as the adherents do not make it an "ISSUE"... as in the case of the "New Issue."

I've posted this before...
Although Jim Bakker is not Oneness in doctrine, He and his family are baptized in Jesus name. They went to a AOG Church in Michigan that taught Jesus name baptism. His sister and neice and I think a few other family members later came into the UPC. His neice said that there are several AOG churches that baptize only in the name of Jesus

crakjak · #66 04-17-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

JTULLOCK, I have no problem with saying that trinitarians of the truest sense (that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Godhead) do NOT serve the same Jesus Christ that I do. It is no different than me saying that Muslims serve a different God than I do.

The two Jesuses are just not the same. If they are not the same, then they are different.

Now, we might believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God together and believe in Him in that understanding, but we would still not worship Him together as the only God, the Father incarnate.

I think that is what Bro. Price is saying.

Your comparing trinitarians to be the same as Muslims is extreme and absolutely false. Muslims hate the Holy Bible, trinitarians believe in the Jesus of the Holy Bible, though they interpret differently does not make Him someone else. They believe Jesus is the Son of God, and scripture says no one can believe this but by the Spirit, and such a one is born of God. So I will not call what God has blessed unclean, and neither should you.

Do they have perfect understanding? Do you? Is your lack more sanctified than their? We need to open our eyes and realize there is a God and he is bigger than our understanding.

The division is of our own making, as long as men demand that everyone thinks and understands the things of God EXACTLY the same the body will be divided against itself. If we have an attitude of love and cooperation the Holy Spirit brings unity, not perfect carbon copies, but unity of Spirit.

But, Alas all men seem to have to have their way or its the parting of ways. Have you raised children? If you have more than two, they will be different and process information differently simply due to temperament, so will you allow the family to split over different understanding? Sadly in the family of God men do.

It does not do damage to my faith to embrace the wider body of Christ, and in many cases they receive from me and I have learned from them. The result is I am a stronger believer in Jesus Christ than I would have been otherwise.

The Scripture is still my standard, and Jesus is still the Savior of the world.

sola gratia · #67 04-17-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

You want unity between those who serve the God of the Bible and those who subscribe to pagan deism such as trinitarianism. You think their Jesus is the same as our Jesus. You are so sadly mistaken.

you have no clue what you are talking about. Your post shows your extreme ignorance on a theological level. Extreme!

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

Jesus is the Father - Apostolic
Jesus is not the Father - Pagan

Enough said.

Again - you have NO CLUE --- NO CLUE, you sound silly when you utter such nonesense

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Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

Less then a year ago your own website declared Oneness to be a damnable heresy. Where you an idol worshiper when you became a Trinitarian? Many times when we are unsure or uncertain that is when we are the most strident and confrontational about what we consider to be Orthodox.

I remember this. Gee, Bro how long did this last, about as long as the rest of your revelations I would guess. You cant be taken seriously at this juncture because you flip flop so much on so many issues, and they are all salvational... Again Bro - you need some quality time with the Word, and some sound teaching. You really cant argue or debate your way out of a paper bag at this point

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been told many times Jesus was NOT God through the years by Trinity preachers.

I dont believe this Bro Epley - I think you're grandstanding. Read any mainstream trinitarian doctrinal statement or any of the creeds Nicene, Anthanasian.... If they believe Jesus is not God, then they are not trinitarians!

crakjak · #68 04-17-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

I agree and do. But, it doesn't make sense that I would teach them about MY Jesus if they worship the same one.

Maybe you could as Paul taught Apollo, teach them about the way "more perfectly." Apparently Apollo was a true believer even though he had room for growth in truth. See it is the whole point of demonizing folks that are believers in Jesus Christ that you fail to understand. How can you minister in the Spirit to folks and marginalize the at the same time.

Jack Shephard · #69 04-17-2007, 10:11 AM

What's the difference? If something is the only thing, isn't it also everything?

There are people that believe Jesus is the only high power, as in that there is no reason for a creator, or the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the only high power, but there is the need for the Creator, and the HG. Jesus only people are a little wierd. But Jesus everything is where Jesus is all in all and everything to you. That is the way most UPCI people believe.

Steve Epley · #70 04-17-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I've posted this before...
Although Jim Bakker is not Oneness in doctrine, He and his family are baptized in Jesus name. They went to a AOG Church in Michigan that taught Jesus name baptism. His sister and neice and I think a few other family members later came into the UPC. His neice said that there are several AOG churches that baptize only in the name of Jesus

NAMES????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

You like all those Jewish congregations????????????????