I think that the argument of the McCain pick of Palin gave us a good opportunity to see partison hacks in all their glory. I lost all respect for Karl Rove and his opinion when I saw him go after the potential pick of Kaine (which of course did not even happen). Then praise the pick of Palin even though she was more lacking in the very same areas that he criticized Kaine for. After Palin was picked, he started to praise the selection of a small town mayor. It all adds up to people pretty much realizing that politicians and constituents alike are so wrapped up in their party, that they don't even attempt to use objectivity or common sense. This video or variations of it have been making its rounds like wildfire (Jon Stewart basically destroyed him in one youtube version of this but I did not want to post it here as there are a few crass references later in the video).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpzzADVsV0
People are tired of partisan games, blind loyalties that are not leading to the best interest of American people, and the lack of real accountability that all of that breeds.
I posted about this also. They can call Karl Rove the "Architect" all they want, but in reality the more apt name is the "Tool".
Most people would be ashamed to be so hypocritical in their remarks about the exact same subject, but not the "Tool".
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I think that the argument of the McCain pick of Palin gave us a good opportunity to see partison hacks in all their glory. I lost all respect for Karl Rove and his opinion when I saw him go after the potential pick of Kaine (which of course did not even happen). Then praise the pick of Palin even though she was more lacking in the very same areas that he criticized Kaine for. After Palin was picked, he started to praise the selection of a small town mayor. It all adds up to people pretty much realizing that politicians and constituents alike are so wrapped up in their party, that they don't even attempt to use objectivity or common sense. This video or variations of it have been making its rounds like wildfire (Jon Stewart basically destroyed him in one youtube version of this but I did not want to post it here as there are a few crass references later in the video).
People are tired of partisan games, blind loyalties that are not leading to the best interest of American people, and the lack of real accountability that all of that breeds.
Stew, you dont think the context of Barak Obama being very inexperienced and McCain being very experienced played into Rowes comments?
You dont see that? really?
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To preface, I'm not voting for Obama - but I'm sick of this right-wing spin put against him, whether out of simple ignorance or pure seething hatred of the man.
This notion that Palin is more experienced than Obama because of "executive" experience is just pure Republican spin. Doesn't matter what kind of state-level executive experience Palin has, it doesn't compare to any amount, short or long-term, of federal Senate experience which Obama has.
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Why CR? because you said so? Does it not matter at all that every single President since LBJ has been a governor? Does it not matter to you that repeatedly the American people have rejected Senators since then?
But now, because you said so, Senate experience trumps the experience of a gov.?
My brother, if you are going to roll with something like that you need something to back it up. It seems that until this year, for the last 10 election cycles, the American people (from both parties) have flat disagreed with you.
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Mind giving some sources to the first quote you just made? I do recall someone, I believe Senator Reid, saying the surge has failed...however, the others (especially the first) I haven't read.
Also, if the last quote is in reference to Obama's statement about bombing in Iraq ... then you had better give the same condemnation to McCain for his near-exact statement.
Here's Obama's much-ado statement (full quote in context instead of the 4-second soundbyte McCain's ad plays):
Now here's McCain from a 2000 Presidential Campaign debate:
McCain's ad highliting only Obama saying "air-raiding villages and killing civilians" in mid-sentence is ironically entitled, "Dishonorable." Funny, no mention of McCain's own statement which is only dissimilar to Obama's in terms of location and party in office.
Check the congressional record. we heard a steady drumbeat from every major liberal in congress. and no, I was not refering to Barak Obama's uncalled for comments about Afghanistan. I was talking about that great American hero John Mertha.
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Does it not matter at all that every single President since LBJ has been a governor? Does it not matter to you that repeatedly the American people have rejected Senators since then?
Uh ... huh?
When was Lyndon Johnson a governor?
When was Richard Nixon a governor?
When was Gerald Ford a governor?
When was George H. W. Bush a governor?
Lyndon Johnson was not only a US Senator but the Senate Majority Leader.
Richard Nixon was a US Senator from California.
I've seen plenty right-wing reactionary distortions and skewing of the facts on this board regarding this election but THIS one is so wrong I had to call your hand on it, Ferd.
So I assume you'll be retracting your above post and apologizing since you're dead wrong.
You're right. I'm a radical independent who happens to lean Democratic this election.
Ha-ha!!
Yeah, ok then.
And I'm Conan The Barbarian (since we're in the mood to be delusional ).
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Lyndon Johnson was not only a US Senator but the Senate Majority Leader.
Richard Nixon was a US Senator from California.
I've seen plenty right-wing reactionary distortions and skewing of the facts on this board regarding this election but THIS one is so wrong I had to call your hand on it, Ferd.
So I assume you'll be retracting your above post and apologizing since you're dead wrong.
First Mr. Smarty pants, my point was that LBJ wasn't a gov.
both Nixon and Bush were Vice Presidents... I should have been more clear on that point... but you bring up a good point here!
even the idiot LBJ was a VP so you have to go back to Kennedy to find a Senator that got elected President without being either a Gov. or a VP.
Thanks for the assist.
it further makes my point. When it comes what the American people have historically preferred, Senators are way down the list while Gov. are pretty high on that list.
and no, not apologizing as I was NOT DEAD WRONG, But I did amend the comment.
As for Gerald Ford, he further proves MY point not yours! I was talking about the preference of the American PEOPLE, not who has been president. In fact Ford came to my mind. Ford was appointed VP and became president when Nixon resigned. He was BEATEN by a lowly governor Carter in 1976. The American people never picked Ford.
So looks like by your standard we are both DEAD WRONG.... or maybe we are slightly off.
I have amended my remarks. lets say it this way.
in the last 11 election cycles, when the American people have made the choice between a senator and a governor, they have without fail picked the governor.
hows that? make you feel better?
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got it right that time ferd, the libs just love obama, the socialist, when he is done with them they can live on welfare, the real americans will still have to work to pay the bills, dt
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Stew, you dont think the context of Barak Obama being very inexperienced and McCain being very experienced played into Rowes comments?
You dont see that? really?
Ferd, you're not even addressing the whole point of my post. The point here is that Karl Rove had some very specific things to say about the mere prospect of a Kaine pick. He stated that it would clearly be a political pick and would reflect that Obama is not interested in the best interests of the nation or in its proper governance. The reasons he gives for this are very clear and very specific. One week later, McCain picks someone who happens to mirror these very same factors perhaps better than any living American. Short term governor (except that her term was significantly shorter) and mayor of a small insignificant town (except that her town was exponentially smaller). There is perhaps no other person alive that McCain could have picked who fell in the exact same category as Kaine who he ripped the week before. It turns out that Obama did not make the pick that Rove categorized as intensely political and not showing the best interest of the nation...but McCain did.
My point is that partisan idiocy mandates that one week after this interview, Rove must find a way to completely throw out all his logic, reasoning, accountabilty, and what I see as a very astute observation, and praise the Palin pick. It is all ridiculous to me and so many people who hard line constituents look up to are becoming laughing stocks to most observers.
I know that you have to find a way to spin it into a positive for McCain . But the basic context of the video is clear. Rove basically astutely categorized a pick like Palin as an intensely political pick and one that does not properly consider the issue of the actual governance of the American people and the best ineterest of the nation...those were his words.
That has been my opinion as well from the beginning and I have said it consistently...I just didn't realize that Rove agreed until I saw this clip
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. But the basic context of the video is clear. Rove basically astutely categorized a pick like Palin as an intensely political pick and one that does not properly consider the issue of the actual governance of the American people and the best ineterest of the nation...those were his words.
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