Can a oneness believer make it to Heaven...

[A.W. Bowman]

The bottom line: If anyone is unwilling, or unable (for whatever reason) to attend a Trinitarian church, then for the sake of your conscience, don't go. If, on the other hand one is interested in delving into the Bible teaching of a particular individual, then, by all means "go for it".

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

ouch...let me pull the arrow out of my back.

I am not defending trinitarians what I am saying is that OP's build A LOT of wals between us too. THE UNDERLINED PORTION-these are the exact thing I have seen people on here say about them. Give me a break TF. Don't act like the OP's are 'poor pitiful me's'. OP's dish it out as deep and as hard too. I admit it hurts when we are called cultish and whatever, but why throw the same hurtful things their way? IT DON"T MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, the post was aimed at a phenomenon I've seen on this board a lot, and I made sure not to direct it at any particular person. But since the shoe fits, and you've chosen to wear it, I guess I'll respond.

First off, I didn't say that OP's have not said harsh things against Trinitarians. I understand it's something that goes both ways.

But since you put the spotlight on yourself here, I will say that in my mind , you in particular are one of those here who seems to be very quick to criticize OPs and quick to defend Trinitarians against criticism from OPs on this forum.... as if the "poor little Trinnies" are being beat upon by those mean Oneness folks.

I'm sorry sir, when it comes to how you deal with the issue. the term "fair and balanced" doesn't readily come to mind.

Regardless of what you might say now, I've seen enough of your posts to know that this is a pattern with you, one that I wouldn't even bother to try to change. It is what it is. That's between you and your God.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, the post was aimed at a phenomenon I've seen on this board a lot, and I made sure not to direct it at any particular person. But since the shoe fits, and you've chosen to wear it, I guess I'll respond.

First off, I didn't say that OP's have not said harsh things against Trinitarians. I understand it's something that goes both ways.

But since you put the spotlight on yourself here, I will say that in my mind , you in particular are one of those here who seems to be very quick to criticize OPs and quick to defend Trinitarians against criticism from OPs on this forum.... as if the "poor little Trinnies" are being beat upon by those mean Oneness folks.

I'm sorry sir, when it comes to how you deal with the issue. the term "fair and balanced" doesn't readily come to mind.

Regardless of what you might say now, I've seen enough of your posts to know that this is a pattern with you, one that I wouldn't even bother to try to change. It is what it is. That's between you and your God.

TR, I have heard far worse things saids about trinitarians from oneness folks than I have ever heard from trinitarians about us. Most oneness folks state that THEY are the ones who are going to split hell wide open and the vast majority of them don't say that about us. They don't call us hell bound...we call them that.

I am oneness to the core and used to attack trinitarians mercilessly until I spent some time in prayer meetings with some of them. They were leary of me because they knew what OP's taught about everyone else going to hell, yet they loved me and accepted me anyway. That is usually far more than OP's do for them.

Don't try to say that it is equal on both sides. It isn't even close. We have done far more to burn the bridge than they have. I will NEVER compromise the oneness message, but I will also never judge one of God's children simply because they don't understand what I do. Especially when they have received the precious SAME Holy Ghost that I did. Maybe I need to bump the "one stepper" thread for you again.

[rrford]

"Can" and "will" are very different terms and both of those terms can be very subjective.

If we honestly believe that what we expose ourselves to in a regular basis influences us then I think we need to be very careful in making such decisions. Personally, I would hold services in my home before attending a church that teaches blatant false doctrine regardless of what other similarities we might have. JMO.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I am oneness to the core as well and I could still attend a trinitarian church and retain everything I have. I know some other may not be able to do that, but what I have is far stronger than a misunderstanding of scripture.

My point was that people have priorities. Are you willing to be inconvienced to go a few extra miles or just make excuses. If someone is strong in oneness it might be ok a time or two, if not you are pretty much saying it's okay to go somewhere that teaches false doctrine. So trinity doctrine is misunderstood scripture? Hmmmmm what are the belief's of AFF again?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

TR, I have heard far worse things saids about trinitarians from oneness folks than I have ever heard from trinitarians about us. Most oneness folks state that THEY are the ones who are going to split hell wide open and the vast majority of them don't say that about us. They don't call us hell bound...we call them that.


Don't try to say that it is equal on both sides. It isn't even close. We have done far more to burn the bridge than they have. I will NEVER compromise the oneness message, but I will also never judge one of God's children simply because they don't understand what I do. Especially when they have received the precious SAME Holy Ghost that I did. Maybe I need to bum" thread for you again.

Once again, the MoW spin machine is in full force.

1... I don't have to convince you of this, and you probably wont want to believe it anyway, but I have seen many of them state, and or clearly imply that Oneness folks are hell-bound. If you really think Trinitarians don't call us hell bound, maybe you haven't been paying attention. Maybe you've spend so much time focusing on the harsh things OPs have said about them, that you havent noticed the harsh things they've said about us.

2... I didn't say it was "equal on both sides". I was not getting into who does it more, is it equal, etc. My point was that it something that happens on both sides. So you'd probably do better to respond to what I said, than to what I didn't say.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

My point was that people have priorities. Are you willing to be inconvienced to go a few extra miles or just make excuses. If someone is strong in oneness it might be ok a time or two, if not you are pretty much saying it's okay to go somewhere that teaches false doctrine. So trinity doctrine is misunderstood scripture? Hmmmmm what are the belief's of AFF again?

Thank you CNeasttx. I was thinking the same thing.

It never ceases to amaze me the euphemisms people will use to describe the false doctrine that is the Trinity.

As a matter of fact, I've seen for myself how some folks on AFF seem to have difficulty even using the words "false doctrine" to describe the Trinity.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

TR, I have heard far worse things saids about trinitarians from oneness folks than I have ever heard from trinitarians about us. Most oneness folks state that THEY are the ones who are going to split hell wide open and the vast majority of them don't say that about us. They don't call us hell bound...we call them that.


No. They just call us heretics and try to say we deny the Father and Holy Ghost

I am oneness to the core and used to attack trinitarians mercilessly until I spent some time in prayer meetings with some of them. They were leary of me because they knew what OP's taught about everyone else going to hell, yet they loved me and accepted me anyway. That is usually far more than OP's do for them.

Don't try to say that it is equal on both sides. It isn't even close. We have done far more to burn the bridge than they have. I will NEVER compromise the oneness message, but I will also never judge one of God's children simply because they don't understand what I do. Especially when they have received the precious SAME Holy Ghost that I did. Maybe I need to bum" thread for you again.

I wish that thread would stay dead.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I couldn't do it. Somewhere along the line I would contend for what I believe is true and salvational..........water baptism in Jesus name, baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues and the Oneness of God.
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I agree. It would eat me up when they preached easy believeism salvation or baptized folk in the trinity. Plus, if I wanted to be used in the church, no way I could not teach full truth. I am in a certain situation right now, where our new church is actually renting from a trinitarian pentecostal church, and a major reason for not merging is I can't just lay aside the oneness and Jesus name baptism for the sake of merging. If they want to merge, they have to accept the full revelation of the apostles doctrine. Also, I preach truth, though we are renting the building for services, so who knows how long it will last. Before long they will accept it, or kick us out. (their pastor attends our services). Anyway, I couldn't do it.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I think we all have.

But gleaning from a book written by a Trinitarian is a lot different from attending a Trinitarian church.
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I'm not going down that road, Kutless.
No Trinitarian will ever be my pastor. That is a non-negotiable issue for me.

Nor will one be mine although there have been some UPC "pastor" that have tempted me to my core.

Not for sure I agree with the gleaning thought though. I don't think you would hear the trinity as a topic persay taught at a trinny church as much as some on here have suggested. I've watched a few on the "hell box".

All being said I hope the young man will come to his senses.