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Old 04-28-2008, 03:17 PM
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I am convinced that the three biggest energy sources that are about to have major impact are
Wind
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Bio-fuel from Algae

these 3 have increadable potential and can have a massive effect of driving down energy costs.
Wind won't work everywhere. Neither will solar. I haven't read anything on making fuel from algae. I have heard that someone has invented a way of burning salt water though.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:18 PM
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I just heard on the news that a nationwide shutdown is planned for May 5th., as a follow up to today's protest. If the truckers in this country can get organized, they have the power to shut this country down. Something like 70%-80% of our goods are delivered by truck.
As much as I like the the idea of truckers doing something like this a 1 day shut down wont do much. they will make their deliveries the next day.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:19 PM
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Yes sir... and I agree with this.

That is actually much of my point.

What we have is an economy built on debt. A fiat economy built on debt can run like wildfire until the chickens come home to roost...

I hear the clucking and the crowing louder every day.

It is as if your family had been operating for years without going beyond your income. You only spent what you had.

Then.. you began to live debt based... meaning you had access to loans and credit cards with nearly no limit. Life is now good.... your "economy" is flourishing.

Somebody keeps telling you that you just can't keep living off of debt and one day it is all going to cause a big financial collapse.

You faithfully reply to them... "Well... looking back on our families economy I can remember no worse times than those when we lived within the confines of our income."

This is the basic discussion we are having.

I cannot, for a moments time, deny that we would not have the economy we have now had it not been based on debt and were it "held down" by our true wealth.

But we cannot, for a moments time, think that we can continue to live on debt, after debt, after more debt, after more debt and this house of cards never collapse.

The family in the discussion above is living it good. Then tight times come... because they can no longer pay the minimum payments... then they borrow money to pay the minimum payments... then the bankers "trust" goes away.

All the worth they possessed was the trust the bankers had in them.

Then... no one else will lend...

Then the collapse begins because their "lifestyle" was not a picture of their true wealth but only a picture of the trust lenders had in their "economy".

When the trust goes the debt goes and when the debt goes reality pays on long, hard & unrelenting visit.

So those pre fiat economy hard times... they were adjustment cycles... reality checks... realizations that we had spent beyond our wealth.

A debt based economy has made us free from such cycles and reality checks.

But when this chicken comes home to roost... it will own the place... and it will be one big, bad, ugly, mean, mad & hungry chicken.

All of those missed cycles will come down... all at once... in spades...

Because we left the concept of living within our means decades ago.
I had a pastor who used to say, "If your outgo exceeds your income your upkeep will be your downfall."
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:21 PM
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I had a pastor who used to say, "If your outgo exceeds your income your upkeep will be your downfall."
What a long post I made... and you summed it up in one phrase.

Exactly...
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:22 PM
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A lot of good a bike will do when it's below zero, raining, or when there is snow on the ground. I can just picture taking a bike to the grocery store to buy food for 6 people. I have no place to grow a garden either.
Bro. I live in Dayton Oh and there are guys here who ride to work rain, snow, or shine. All it takes is guts and determination. If you can't ride to work...car pool. Organize an office car pooling association. And while sometimes it's necessary to use a car...millions of Americans live just fine every day using bicycles and public transit. We're too spoiled. Again...Europe has learned a lesson we need to learn.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:23 PM
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Wind won't work everywhere. Neither will solar. I haven't read anything on making fuel from algae. I have heard that someone has invented a way of burning salt water though.
wind will work in enough places, and electricity made in North Dakota can turn on the lights in Kentucky.

same with solar.


these technologies are still in or near infant stages. their costs are getting less and less. while the power they can generate is getting greater and greater.

Algae is quite exciting. Consider that corn can produce (I think) around 34 gallons of ethanol per acre. with new methods now being studied the estimates for Algae are ranging from 2,000 to 50,000 gallons per acre!

and Algae can be grown in areas that are not currently being used in active agreculture. in fact, it would be better to use unusable land.
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VRB, you are right on this! LOL!
LOL

Maybe I should have said,

"RIGHT NOW, according to their plans they aren't planning to raise my taxes." LOL

But they raise my taxes...Republicans allow business to drive up prices without restraint. Would you rather fund your government or line the pockets of some CEO? Somebody's getting your money any way you cut it.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:26 PM
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Bro. I live in Dayton Oh and there are guys here who ride to work rain, snow, or shine. All it takes is guts and determination. If you can't ride to work...car pool. Organize an office car pooling association. And while sometimes it's necessary to use a car...millions of Americans live just fine every day using bicycles and public transit. We're too spoiled. Again...Europe has learned a lesson we need to learn.
I work from home, so carpooling isn't an option. Even if I still worked 30 miles away, carpooling wouldn't be an option. For one thing, no one from this one horse town worked where I was working. For another thing, I refuse to depend on someone else to get me to work and back home. For another thing, there is no public transportation. Lastly, I like to fart a lot, so that pretty much leaves carpooling out of the question.
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Yes sir... and I agree with this.

That is actually much of my point.

What we have is an economy built on debt. A fiat economy built on debt can run like wildfire until the chickens come home to roost...

I hear the clucking and the crowing louder every day.

It is as if your family had been operating for years without going beyond your income. You only spent what you had.

Then.. you began to live debt based... meaning you had access to loans and credit cards with nearly no limit. Life is now good.... your "economy" is flourishing.

Somebody keeps telling you that you just can't keep living off of debt and one day it is all going to cause a big financial collapse.

You faithfully reply to them... "Well... looking back on our families economy I can remember no worse times than those when we lived within the confines of our income."

This is the basic discussion we are having.

I cannot, for a moments time, deny that we would not have the economy we have now had it not been based on debt and were it "held down" by our true wealth.

But we cannot, for a moments time, think that we can continue to live on debt, after debt, after more debt, after more debt and this house of cards never collapse.

The family in the discussion above is living it good. Then tight times come... because they can no longer pay the minimum payments... then they borrow money to pay the minimum payments... then the bankers "trust" goes away.

All the worth they possessed was the trust the bankers had in them.

Then... no one else will lend...

Then the collapse begins because their "lifestyle" was not a picture of their true wealth but only a picture of the trust lenders had in their "economy".

When the trust goes the debt goes and when the debt goes reality pays one long, hard & unrelenting visit.

So those pre fiat economy hard times... they were adjustment cycles... reality checks... realizations that we had spent beyond our wealth.

A debt based economy has made us free from such cycles and reality checks.

But when this chicken comes home to roost... it will own the place... and it will be one big, bad, ugly, mean, mad & hungry chicken.

All of those missed cycles will come down... all at once... in spades...

Because we left the concept of living within our means decades ago.
Great post.
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So those pre fiat economy hard times... they were adjustment cycles... reality checks... realizations that we had spent beyond our wealth.

A debt based economy has made us free from such cycles and reality checks.

But when this chicken comes home to roost... it will own the place... and it will be one big, bad, ugly, mean, mad & hungry chicken.

All of those missed cycles will come down... all at once... in spades...

Because we left the concept of living within our means decades ago.
interesting.... but those cycles before, were mean bitter cycles that ended in people starving to death.

we have had cycles and we have had resets, but without the depth related to gold standard cycles.

we are in the middle of such a reset right now. We are going to find out in the next 6 months how deep this reset is going to be arent we?
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