I have a feeling the public meeting in Tulsa will be mild to reel in some who are on the fence. The mud slinging and character assassinations will be done behind closed doors, out of public view.
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Originally Posted by Steadfast
If I understand the question right you're saying, "What if the UPC keeps a right spirit and the break away group starts becoming a UPC bashing session... should they disfellowship them?"
If, and again I say IF, that happens I don't think the UPC will have much choice but to try to protect their interests somehow. I just know that if the UPC jumps prematurely and starts trying to discredit men who have been loved and honored among us it's going to create chaos.
The ONLY way to get around that is to give this whole thing time and IF the break away group becomes vicious it will speak volumes to those who sympathize with their situation. On the other hand, IF the UPC is perceived to be attacking them without cause (let's face it, these leaders have had a good spirit up to this point) it will bring sympathizers out of the woodwork and slingshot them right into the Tulsa group.
I have to be honest here: The VAST, VAST, VAST majority of the preachers that I talk to believe that the Tulsa group has a right to do what they are doing. Most just think it's a little premature because, technically, they haven't changed the rules on owning a television but simply said you can advertise on it.
To try, at least now, to take a stand against it would be the equivelent to that 'vast majority' of preachers as saying, "We made it uncomfortable for you in our organization but now we're going to persecute you for the convictions you want to hold on to."
Discomfort people can sometimes abide by.
Perceived persecution is seen in a whole dangerously different way.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
It is difficult to have an adult conversation with someone who posts like an adolescent. Why don't you up the intellectual level of your posting a bit.
I did not post that all the pastors who voted for resolution #4 had televisions in their homes.
I posted, "If the UPCI ministers who have chosen to have television in their homes had turned in their credentials instead of going to Tampa and overthrowing the restriction on television advertising, would there be a need for the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?"
The logical interpretation is that, in my opinion, the number of pastors with televisions voting in favor of resolution #4 was enough to tip the balance in favor of its passage.
That is just rude.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
If the letter writing district and general officials had done their duty and enforced the ministerial requirements spelled out in the UPCI manual, would there even be a Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?
If the UPCI ministers who have chosen to have television in their homes had turned in their credentials instead of going to Tampa and overthrowing the restriction on television advertising, would there be a need for the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?
If a pastor wanted to have a youth group that conformed to the standards spelled out in the UPCI manual, would he want to send them to UPC events to play "Amazing Race" and celebrate Dora the Explorer, or would he send them to Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship events?
OH MY
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
If the leadership of the UPC had spent the last two decades upholding the manual rather than chasing the myth of "fastest growing," would there be a Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship today?
Another reason for LPW...
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
I must say, that all communication from the WPF leadership has displayed a good attitude and spirit.
I think they did a great job on answering the questions.
I think everyone is going to have some powerful revival this year.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
If the letter writing district and general officials had done their duty and enforced the ministerial requirements spelled out in the UPCI manual, would there even be a Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?
If the UPCI ministers who have chosen to have television in their homes had turned in their credentials instead of going to Tampa and overthrowing the restriction on television advertising, would there be a need for the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship?
If a pastor wanted to have a youth group that conformed to the standards spelled out in the UPCI manual, would he want to send them to UPC events to play "Amazing Race" and celebrate Dora the Explorer, or would he send them to Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship events?
Excuse me but could you please expond on the paragraph that I bolded? What I mean is could you explain your thoughts a little better?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Brother you just condemned people for wanting to change the manuel a few post earlier.
Nope.
I don't have any problem with people wanting to change the manual.
I have a problem with people voting to change the manual when they are, again, in my opinion, not properly entitled to membership in the group they are seeking to change.
This is repetitious, but here goes, "No minister having a television in his or her home shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International." Therefore, any minister having a television in his or her home is not entitled to be a member of the UPCI.
Change the manual and have a television in every room of your house, but until you change the manual, live by its requirements. If you can't live by the rules, turn in your credential and go serve the Lord without a UPCI license.
I don't have any problem with people wanting to change the manual.
I have a problem with people voting to change the manual when they are, again, in my opinion, not properly entitled to membership in the group they are seeking to change.
This is repetitious, but here goes, "No minister having a television in his or her home shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International." Therefore, any minister having a television in his or her home is not entitled to be a member of the UPCI.
Change the manual and have a television in every room of your house, but until you change the manual, live by its requirements. If you can't live by the rules, turn in your credential and go serve the Lord without a UPCI license.
Very good point, very good point. Your Kung Fu is very good.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
If a pastor wanted to have a youth group that conformed to the standards spelled out in the UPCI manual, would he want to send them to UPC events to play "Amazing Race" and celebrate Dora the Explorer, or would he send them to Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship events?
But here goes anyway: If I taught my youth group that television is unwholesome and that I wholeheartedly disapprove of them watching television, I wouldn't send them to youth events that appeared to endorse watching television.
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