"Beards are sin!" False doctrine?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ok, here it is. About 10 years ago on a preacher's forum Brother Kieth McCann and I were going back and forth over something in a thread. It was a bunch of us discussing something. Which I now don't remember. Anyway, Brother McCann brought up that during the Russian communist revolution that the Russian Orthodox clergy were busy debating the length of the tassels on their robes. This while maybe not a fact, but none the less, it stuck with me. Imagine arguing over something like this, while there are those who no longer believe Jesus' name should be even invoked in water baptism? That churches would no longer seek the infilling of the Holy Ghost to speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of the Lord gives the utterance?

How many pages are in this thread?

Well since its not even worth discussing why are you still here 65 pages later? Maybe YOU will be the one 65 pages later to explain WHY BEARDS were ever condemned in the first place? What was the reason? Then you can move on.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That is assumption, based on personal opinion.


First the above quote is irrelevant and a poor attempt at humor. Because you and Michael have no way of enforcing anything on me. Therefore I have no need to worry, or relax. I am just stating that if you don't like someone having a platform yea or nay on beard allowances or prohibition, it is all up to your prerogative to either attend or not. Churchanity is a virtual plethora of different thoughts on one book. With people who will shave to the grave, without batting an eye over what you deem to NT grounded. Also those who believe beards are Biblical and should be worn by all men who profess Christ also don't care if you don't think they are Biblically grounded. If they ever found out that you attended a Trinitarian house church they wouldn't give you air time anyway.





Honestly you aren't contending with anyone outside this thread. If you were contending with "churches" then you would have to venture outside your cubicle and go into the congregation. Up to the elders, and debate them. You most likely would be given the swift left foot of fellowship right in the tail end through the front doors of the church. Game over.




It doesn't matter to you, and those who think like you. But it matters to others. So, when you set a foot in their churches you need to do an about face and walk out. In that way you don't waste their time, or yours.





Again, that's to you and those who think like you. That's why you will have a grand time with those who believe exactly like you.



Seriously? That is all perception my boy. What is Biblical to you, isn't Biblical to the Presbyterian. So, on and so on.





How many denominations and cults say the exact same thing? Therefore it gets hazy and you have to hope God straightens it all out at the judgement?

That's why you can hide out in a Trinitarian church and no one would ever think you weren't exactly like them.

EB, the notion of prohibiting beards is rather widespread in Apostolic churches. Well, what troubles me is that if I choose to stick to my convictions on the matter, I'm pretty much out of luck in relation to Apostolic churches I can attend. And over what? A man made tradition that has absolutely no Bible to support it? I find that sad, seeing that the Apostolic church is supposed to be based on Scripture.

Those churches who would impose a beard standard requiring beards are few and far between. We're talking about a serious minority on the fringe.

So, when I you going to start dressing like Michael Rood?

No thanks. lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well since its not even worth discussing why are you still here 63 pages later? Maybe YOU will be the one 63 pages later to explain WHY BEARDS were ever condemned in the first place? What was the reason? Then you can move on.

Maybe I am still here 63 pages later because you still don't get it.

Bro, you walked around in a potato sack because you believed God told you to do it. Was it actual Biblical "sack cloth?" no, because the sack cloth found in the Bible is a hair shirt, and the same itching you get when you go to a barber is what you experience (maybe worse) from a hair shirt. So, burlap really doesn't create the same effect. Therefore it isn't the same thing. But you honestly and sincerely felt it was an admonition from God. While I may have my thoughts against such practices, I have to take some pause. Who knows who may of witnessed you walking around street preaching in that burlap bag? Who knows if it was used to touch someone in a positive way? I haven't the foggiest idea, but, to understand maybe why people do somethings could be half the battle won? But even if I don't understand it I don't have to practice it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom

Honestly you aren't contending with anyone outside this thread. If you were contending with "churches" then you would have to venture outside your cubicle and go into the congregation. Up to the elders, and debate them. You most likely would be given the swift left foot of fellowship right in the tail end through the front doors of the church. Game over.

Yes. Exactly right. In some cases this would probably happen. And YET....they say its not a sin! So why pray tell should these "elders" kick someone in the rear end and run them out of the Church over something they say IS NOT SIN?

PLEASE SOMEONE! This is the whole point!

[Aquila]

EB,

Do you know of any beard friendly churches, fellowships, etc. that might have a work in my neck of the woods?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom



Yes. Exactly right. In some cases this would probably happen. And YET....they say its not a sin! So why pray tell should these "elders" kick someone in the rear end and run them out of the Church over something they say IS NOT SIN?

PLEASE SOMEONE! This is the whole point!

I don't think EB is agreeing with the idea. I think EB is just trying to relate to the reality of the idea.

I'd like to know if EB would go on record condemning such an act though.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

EB, the notion of prohibiting beards is rather widespread in Apostolic churches. Well, what troubles me is that if I choose to stick to my convictions on the matter, I'm pretty much out of luck in relation to Apostolic churches I can attend. And over what? A man made tradition that has absolutely no Bible to support it? I find that sad, seeing that the Apostolic church is supposed to be based on Scripture.

Those churches who would impose a beard standard requiring beards are few and far between. We're talking about a serious minority on the fringe.



No thanks. lol

Out of luck? No, not looking hard enough.

Bro, we live in a country that you can find virtually every kind of church situation you could imagine.

It is out there.

But if they are preaching TRUTH, and a beard, or no beard is going to be an obstacle? Then that's totally your decision. Honestly, like I said, I pretty much removed my beard before I ever came to an Apostolic church, and I didn't have a starter kit like you guys. I had a beard. When I came to church I had a fu manchu (not the bull) which I would later get rid of. But I don't miss it. You have something about having a fat face that you want to hide under a beard. I guess that's a issue with you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom



Yes. Exactly right. In some cases this would probably happen. And YET....they say its not a sin! So why pray tell should these "elders" kick someone in the rear end and run them out of the Church over something they say IS NOT SIN?

PLEASE SOMEONE! This is the whole point!

Bro, you are really hung up over this.

Sounds like you need to be set free.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Maybe I am still here 63 pages later because you still don't get it.

Bro, you walked around in a potato sack because you believed God told you to do it. Was it actual Biblical "sack cloth?" no, because the sack cloth found in the Bible is a hair shirt, and the same itching you get when you go to a barber is what you experience (maybe worse) from a hair shirt. So, burlap really doesn't create the same effect. Therefore it isn't the same thing. But you honestly and sincerely felt it was an admonition from God. While I may have my thoughts against such practices, I have to take some pause. Who knows who may of witnessed you walking around street preaching in that burlap bag? Who knows if it was used to touch someone in a positive way? I haven't the foggiest idea, but, to understand maybe why people do somethings could be half the battle won? But even if I don't understand it I don't have to practice it.

LOL

65 pages and not one shave only advocate can even give a reason for this unbiblical nightmare. And I see now...there will not be one given. Dom is the boldest of the bold and even HE either cannot or will not answer why shave only Apostolic Pastors banned bearded men from their Churches.

As to sackcloth preaching it is in the Old and New Testament. I am not asking you to do it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't think EB is agreeing with the idea. I think EB is just trying to relate to the reality of the idea.

I'd like to know if EB would go on record condemning such an act though.

Does anyone read my posts? Do you all just breeze through them?

Whatever.

I thought I made myself clear.

Crystal totally crystal.