"Beards are sin!" False doctrine?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Most of the facial hair I see in Pentecost comes from young guys trying to be trendy.

Yeah, me and Michael are so trendy. lol

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There's the old paths, and the Bible.

Either the Bible is sufficient in itself to produce holiness, or it isn't and needs some assistance from the traditions of men.

I'd also like to address your concern. If a church begins dropping every "biblical" standard because they chose to allow beards... clearly the leadership is still failing to preach the Bible.

We need a Bible Revival.

I'm sorry. Your extreme inconsistency disallows me from taking you seriously enough to converse with concerning anything Bible related.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, this is my point, that there are men who believe that returning to a Bible standard is THAT YOU ALL WEAR BEARDS. Listen, I will post this again. If someone wants clean shave on their platform, don;'t go to their church. Game over. You want to return to the Bible but make a case for holidays to be practiced in some degree? Therefore I'll say it again, there are people who be going to clean shave churches and never have a problem inviting anyone to church. Most men shave, therefore electric razors are big money multi blade razors are big money. So,, there isn't a lack of shaved dudes out there to fill the pew and not even notice a beard prohibition.

Again, Brother Keith McCann please accept my apologizes you were right on that one thing.

No beard advocate who is grounded in NT truth will try to force men to wear beards. No man grounded in NT truth will try to force men to shave.

Relax, I pray you don't think Michael or myself would force you to shave. Because, my dear brother, we wouldn't.

However, we're contending with churches out there that will try to force us to shave with every underhanded trick and manipulative tactic you can think of. And there is no Bible for it.

Apostolic identity doesn't matter. The "old paths" don't matter. What matters is the Bible and what it actually does teach vs. what it doesn't teach. You can't find a more glorious identity outside of Christ Jesus. And, you can't find an "older path" than the Bible itself. A "beard standard" established in the 1950's is NOT an "old path". It's relatively recent. Now, the Scriptures... that's the REAL "old path".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by consapente89

I'm sorry. Your extreme inconsistency disallows me from taking you seriously enough to converse with concerning anything Bible related.

I don't care if Ronald McDonald tells you something... if it is actually biblical truth, it's actually biblical truth.

You're CHOOSING to allow what you see as inconsistencies cloud the issue for you so that you can close your eyes and not look at the fact that you have no SCRIPTURE for your position.

If you have Scripture on prohibiting beards... stand and deliver.

If not, I strongly admonish you to get back to the book. Not for my sake, or Ronald McDonald's sake... or anyone else's sake that you can't take seriously... but for the sake of your own spiritual health.

Traditions of man are spiritual blood poison.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No beard advocate who is grounded in NT truth will try to force men to wear beards. No man grounded in NT truth will try to force men to shave.

That is assumption, based on personal opinion.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Relax, I pray you don't think Michael or myself would force you to shave. Because, my dear brother, we wouldn't.

First the above quote is irrelevant and a poor attempt at humor. Because you and Michael have no way of enforcing anything on me. Therefore I have no need to worry, or relax. I am just stating that if you don't like someone having a platform yea or nay on beard allowances or prohibition, it is all up to your prerogative to either attend or not. Churchanity is a virtual plethora of different thoughts on one book. With people who will shave to the grave, without batting an eye over what you deem to NT grounded. Also those who believe beards are Biblical and should be worn by all men who profess Christ also don't care if you don't think they are Biblically grounded. If they ever found out that you attended a Trinitarian house church they wouldn't give you air time anyway.

Originally Posted by Aquila

However, we're contending with churches out there that will try to force us to shave with every underhanded trick and manipulative tactic you can think of. And there is no Bible for it.

Honestly you aren't contending with anyone outside this thread. If you were contending with "churches" then you would have to venture outside your cubicle and go into the congregation. Up to the elders, and debate them. You most likely would be given the swift left foot of fellowship right in the tail end through the front doors of the church. Game over.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Apostolic identity doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter to you, and those who think like you. But it matters to others. So, when you set a foot in their churches you need to do an about face and walk out. In that way you don't waste their time, or yours.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The "old paths" don't matter.

Again, that's to you and those who think like you. That's why you will have a grand time with those who believe exactly like you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

What matters is the Bible and what it actually does teach vs. what it doesn't teach.

Seriously? That is all perception my boy. What is Biblical to you, isn't Biblical to the Presbyterian. So, on and so on.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You can't find a more glorious identity outside of Christ Jesus.

How many denominations and cults say the exact same thing? Therefore it gets hazy and you have to hope God straightens it all out at the judgement?

That's why you can hide out in a Trinitarian church and no one would ever think you weren't exactly like them.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And, you can't find an "older path" than the Bible itself. A "beard standard" established in the 1950's is NOT an "old path". It's relatively recent. Now, the Scriptures... that's the REAL "old path".

So, when I you going to start dressing like Michael Rood?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

If they ever found out that you attended a Trinitarian house church they wouldn't give you air time anyway.

Sometimes people focus on little things in others to try to ignore the bigger issues in themselves.

Honestly, beards are the least to be concerned about.

[houston]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Context.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Sometimes people focus on little things in others to try to ignore the bigger issues in themselves.

Honestly, beards are the least to be concerned about.

Ok, here it is. About 10 years ago on a preacher's forum Brother Kieth McCann and I were going back and forth over something in a thread. It was a bunch of us discussing something. Which I now don't remember. Anyway, Brother McCann brought up that during the Russian communist revolution that the Russian Orthodox clergy were busy debating the length of the tassels on their robes. This while maybe not a fact, but none the less, it stuck with me. Imagine arguing over something like this, while there are those who no longer believe Jesus' name should be even invoked in water baptism? That churches would no longer seek the infilling of the Holy Ghost to speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of the Lord gives the utterance?

How many pages are in this thread?

[Michael The Disciple]

Consapente

I think it is extremely unfair to our elders when we move the landmarks they have set, without trying to go back and grasp their reasoning for setting them.

NOW....we are final going to get the answer we have been seeking this entire thread. NOW please explain the reason THE ELDERS BANNED BEARDS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

NOW....we are final going to get the answer we have been seeking this entire thread. NOW please explain the reason THE ELDERS BANNED BEARDS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Go ask them.