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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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" Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor's."
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How did she violate this commandment in wearing a bikini? What did she "covet?"
I know, from the sophomoric bolded text that you want to go a certain way with this, but it doesn't hold water when applied to the plaintiff. Perhaps the "mutual friend, but not the plaintiff.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I didn't read the article. I just wanted to ramp up the conversation about the bikini, man! What is wrong with that?!  |
I gotta admit that is frustrating... you making arguments about a story you have not read! 
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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When seeking legal grounds for divorce in most states, "bikini" wearing, however immodest you and I may feel it to be, is not considered suitable grounds. Neither the NT nor the OT having anything in the original that can be translated as "bikini" so we'll have to extrapolate from there.
Matthew 5:32, clearly states that only "adultery" is suitable ground for a man to "put away his wife." I would not want to approach the throne whilst attempting to make "bikini wearing" my argument for otherwise. |
I still think, because of her display, she had actions that preceded this event at the pool.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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So, you are saying that the pastor and ex-husband lied to justify the marriage?
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Did you read the article???? It certainly seems like the definition of "fornication" was at least STRETCHED to include Ms. Driver's offense. And then conveniently, the entire list of possibilities was shared with her specific offense withheld, letting imaginations run wild.
Stroke of genius, and an old trick.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I didn't read the article. I just wanted to ramp up the conversation about the bikini, man! What is wrong with that?! |
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I gotta admit that is frustrating... you making arguments about a story you have not read! |
I loved it, Stephen!!!
I still think the ex-wife had motive in her actions. I wanted to focus on her and would have regardless if I read the article or not. 
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Well, if it wasn't a UPC church no one would have posted about it and no one would have given a hill of beans.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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He listed nine forms of fornication and said that she had committed one of them. And he does have free speech in his pulpit. I'm glad he did say that. If he's mean and overbearing, we can always find another church.
The woman still was in a compromising situation. I'm not going to look past that. Sorry.
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She "appears" to have been if we make certain assumptions that we have no evidence to maintain. For example, if we assume that the "bikini" thing happened at a private pool with just the woman and the "mutual friend" present. However, it may well have been a public pool with hundreds present and the two were seen in passing. Also, since everything else has been exaggerated, why must we assume that it even was a "bikini?"
And you are correct to object to the insinuations of listing the sins and saying, "... she did one of these..." That's just plain daft behavior for any public speaker.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Did you read the article???? It certainly seems like the definition of "fornication" was at least STRETCHED to include Ms. Driver's offense. And then conveniently, the entire list of possibilities was shared with her specific offense withheld, letting imaginations run wild.
Stroke of genius, and an old trick. |
I didn't take it that way when I read what the pastor said. I took it that he listed nine things that included fornication, teaching moment, and said she had committed one of them. If everyone's imagination was running wild, then they are just stupid. LOL!
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I didn't read the article. I just wanted to ramp up the conversation about the bikini, man! What is wrong with that?! |
PO, it isn't funny. It is sad at best and despicable at worst. You didn't read the article, and you slandered the woman you didnt even know as badly-or even worse-than the pastor who faced a jury. There is very much wrong with that.
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