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I guess this is the puzzling part about all this to me. I have no qualms in saying one can be saved and Baptist or non-Oneness Pentecostal, but furthermore I know of many strict "Three Steppers" who would answer the question as "Yes, you are my brother in Christ".
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I would surely hope that this is edited a lot, because this is some of the most pitiful stuff I have seen. WHY not just answer the question as stated. NO, he is not my brother because he has not responded to the gospel in obedience to Acts 2:38. |
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
ST Matt. I have been in UPC churches for over 20 years and have had what would mostly qualify as PAJC pastors. I feel confident that none of them would limit the term "brother" to Oneness Pentecostals in particular. Not then, and especially not now.
It is pitiful to me that one could not simply say; "YES" - not because we agree but in spite of us reaching different conclusions regarding the response to the gospel message.
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He gave the pat answer most moderates give when faced w/ this answer .... a confusing ...."I'm not God ... He's the judge but I just preach what the bible says."
They are either saved or not ....
Those who try to appear open-minded but obviously do not see others as saved seem hypocritical and disingenuous IMO .... Just say no or yes.
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11-24-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
He gave the pat answer most moderates give when faced w/ this answer .... a confusing ...."I'm not God ... He's the judge but I just preach what the bible says."
They are either saved or not ....
Those who try to appear open-minded but obviously do not see others as saved seem hypocritical and disingenuous IMO .... Just say no or yes.
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Dan, I think it is a justified position in the mind of those who hold to it.
The answer lies in the terms "full salvation" and "whole gospel".
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11-24-2007, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Dan, I think it is a justified position in the mind of those who hold to it.
The answer lies in the terms "full salvation" and "whole gospel".
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As opposed to half salvation?
Urshan looked silly,IMO ... He was concerned w/ the opinions and fallout of the fellowship if he answered in the affirmative. I think he held a position similar to his dad's ... but politics got in the way.
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11-24-2007, 03:14 PM
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As opposed to half salvation?
Urshan looked silly,IMO ... He was concerned w/ the opinions and fallout of the fellowship if he answered in the affirmative. I think he held a position similar to his dad's ... but politics got in the way.
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You may be right, but then any and all versions of the "light doctrine" spawn a whole other line of questioning.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2007, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
ST Matt. I have been in UPC churches for over 20 years and have had what would mostly qualify as PAJC pastors. I feel confident that none of them would limit the term "brother" to Oneness Pentecostals in particular. Not then, and especially not now.
It is pitiful to me that one could not simply say; "YES" - not because we agree but in spite of us reaching different conclusions regarding the response to the gospel message.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
He gave the pat answer most moderates give when faced w/ this answer .... a confusing ...."I'm not God ... He's the judge but I just preach what the bible says."
They are either saved or not ....
Those who try to appear open-minded but obviously do not see others as saved seem hypocritical and disingenuous IMO .... Just say no or yes.
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This is what it comes down to for me. If I say that I believe it takes Acts 2:38 to be saved, I can be nice and still say what I see the scriptures as saying. All I saw was NU him hawing around in an effort not to offend.
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11-24-2007, 03:18 PM
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As opposed to half salvation?
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As opposed to a salvation by default, friends of the bride, the rightous, etc... I don't know - it is not my position and the irony of that is, those who hold such views rarely talk about it. I think they see any discussion of the matter as propagation of a path outside Acts 2:38.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-24-2007, 03:39 PM
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Then there are those one steppers (such as myself and a few well-known ones here) who believe you ARE saved from the moment you ask for forgiveness and believe... but are then commanded to be baptized. As was brought out in the video, people can be in error but STILL be a brother (saved) in Christ. Just look how many opinions are present here and in the church in general. Obviously many of the opinions are in error -some globally, and others just specific to the person (like individual convictions).
Are all but a few stalwart saints attending Reckarts church doomed to hells eternal flame?
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11-24-2007, 03:51 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Then there are those one steppers (such as myself and a few well-known ones here) who believe you ARE saved from the moment you ask for forgiveness and believe... but are then commanded to be baptized. As was brought out in the video, people can be in error but STILL be a brother (saved) in Christ. Just look how many opinions are present here and in the church in general. Obviously many of the opinions are in error -some globally, and others just specific to the person (like individual convictions).
Are all but a few stalwart saints attending Reckarts church doomed to hells eternal flame?
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I ask again, what is the fetish with Bro Reckart?? You come in here to a conversation that has nothing to do with him and take a swipe at him.
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11-24-2007, 03:56 PM
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Reckart has become a verb!
Just like those who are destroyed in the media are referred to as being "Borked". The name "Reckart" has unofficially entered the dictionary as a word describing paranoia/lust for power/irrelevent -yes, all three at once.
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11-24-2007, 03:58 PM
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Reckart has become a verb!
Just like those who are destroyed in the media are referred to as being "Borked". The name "Reckart" has unofficially entered the dictionary as a word describing paranoia/lust for power/irrelevent -yes, all three at once.
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