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07-01-2007, 12:40 AM
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Get OVER it.
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Originally Posted by Arphaxad
Holiness standards have never been a stumbling block to my relationship with Jesus. And they are not all about dress codes.
ARPH
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This is a very good post.
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07-01-2007, 12:45 AM
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Get OVER it.
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Originally Posted by Arphaxad
I like when he said holiness standards are like guardrails on a highway.
ARPH
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I thought it was a good statement as well. I have never hit a guardrail in my life. It is amusing but sad to think of people who would drive down the highway and be angry over what that guardrail is keeping them away from. Just be thankful you have a great highway to drive on.
I can't find what is so wrong with his analogy. But the difference may be that I don't find a reason to dislike the standards I have.
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My highest goal in life is not to trash the U. P. C.:
Even if I'm not a fan I find pathetic and petty those who strive for such.
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07-01-2007, 12:52 AM
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Genesis 11:10
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,385
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Originally Posted by Sacerdotal
I thought it was a good statement as well. I have never hit a guardrail in my life. It is amusing but sad to think of people who would drive down the highway and be angry over what that guardrail is keeping them away from. Just be thankful you have a great highway to drive on.
I can't find what is so wrong with his analogy. But the difference may be that I don't find a reason to dislike the standards I have.
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I can drive through a guardrail if I want to, but I don't think I will like the results.
ARPH
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07-01-2007, 01:07 AM
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Genesis 11:10
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by sola gratia
okay - well - I think the statement is damaging to Christian faith. Damaging to true faith and trust in the Holy Ghost. Possibly ... well never mind.
I could care less to what degree someone ministry is successful. That in no way validates their message... if it does we should all be tuning into Joel Osteen, every night... I don't see any apostolic preaching to those kinds of crowds! Yet they rip into their teachings --- I wonder is that disrespect as well?
I respect the man, but disrespect the statement. If I conveyed otherwise it was unintentional
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I think that people that wear crosses halfway down thier cleavage is damaging to the Christain faith, I think that people that have Christain symbols on their cars and drive stupid are damaging to the Christain faith, I think that people that confess Christ and cuss are damaging to the Christain faith, but I don't think that saying holiness standards are like guardrails in any way damages the Christain faith.
BTW, that was the first preaching message of his I ever heard, I don't know who the man is and never read any of his books, so his "success" to me is nothing.
ARPH
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07-01-2007, 06:42 AM
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Beaux's li'l buddy............
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,191
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Originally Posted by NLYP
And your phone did not ring!!!!
YOU said.....and I quote "I aint hearing ole "nasal Tenney"...lets go shopping"
So my friend....... Are you telling me that thursday is your day off no matter who is preaching??
Whatevah back at you
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I have no idea how many times I have been...........and yep it ALWAYS has been.............
Whatevah..............
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07-01-2007, 11:57 AM
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crakjak
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: dallas area
Posts: 7,605
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Originally Posted by Sacerdotal
I thought it was a good statement as well. I have never hit a guardrail in my life. It is amusing but sad to think of people who would drive down the highway and be angry over what that guardrail is keeping them away from. Just be thankful you have a great highway to drive on.
I can't find what is so wrong with his analogy. But the difference may be that I don't find a reason to dislike the standards I have.
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Your statement is ridiculous, because the analogy is so non-applicable, apparel standards do not keep folks from losing faith. If folks lack a real relationship with Jesus, such standards can be false sense of holiness. I have no problem with folks having personal convictions about apparel, but to place it in the category of holiness or righteousness is false doctrine.
The laying on of hair is an example, God will respond to faith in Him, and said faith should be based on His word not on our works.
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07-01-2007, 02:16 PM
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Registered Member
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 38,161
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Your statement is ridiculous, because the analogy is so non-applicable, apparel standards do not keep folks from losing faith. If folks lack a real relationship with Jesus, such standards can be false sense of holiness. I have no problem with folks having personal convictions about apparel, but to place it in the category of holiness or righteousness is false doctrine.
The laying on of hair is an example, God will respond to faith in Him, and said faith should be based on His word not on our works.
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Right on! The walk after the Spirit causes us to not fulfill lusts of the flesh. When physical acts of obedience are replacing Jesus and the Spirit's empowerment for keeping us saved, we are in deep trouble, I believe.
Standards are fine and dandy, until they replace love that shows the world we are Christ's, and replace Spirit leading for keeping us saved.
We dress modestly/holy because we bleong to the Lord. Holiness actually means BELONGING TO. And in that sense, we dress modestly.
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07-01-2007, 02:20 PM
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Registered Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Your statement is ridiculous, because the analogy is so non-applicable, apparel standards do not keep folks from losing faith. If folks lack a real relationship with Jesus, such standards can be false sense of holiness. I have no problem with folks having personal convictions about apparel, but to place it in the category of holiness or righteousness is false doctrine.
The laying on of hair is an example, God will respond to faith in Him, and said faith should be based on His word not on our works.
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It appeared to me that the post of Sacerdotal and the analogy of Bro. Tenney were both on target. What appears ridiculous is people who seem to instantly attack everything that remotely appears to value holiness or any outward standards that portray a hunger for holiness. On second thought, it doesn't appear ridiculous: it IS ridiculous.
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07-01-2007, 03:01 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Brazil, SA
Posts: 27,033
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My standards have never kept me from having friends...Just be true to what you believe and people may not agree but they will respect you.
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07-01-2007, 03:30 PM
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Psalms 132:1
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,367
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