Canadian Healthcare the real story

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - you seem to have some unresolved issues about your mom's death.
You seem to need someone to blame, instead of asking yourself if that was just her time.

You bet I do.

My mom was only 54 years old. Hopefully, we can keep this from happening to someone you love one day. It would help if you joined the effort. One liberal goal isn't going to kill you. In fact, you might turn around years from now and discover it saved your life.

[Jito463]

I've given up trying to explain to A how horrible a system it would be to have the government control our health care choices. He is completely oblivious to anything that denigrates his god of government. To him, they're always the protectors of the people and can do no wrong (unless it's Republican controlled, then they're the destroyers of all mankind and actual "devils" - yes, that's a real quote from him).

He's a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and there's no turning back for him. May God have mercy on his soul, in that he never lives to see the fruits of his labors in having government control our health.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I've given up trying to explain to A how horrible a system it would be to have the government control our health care choices.

BUZZZZZ!

You're logic is already headed in the wrong direction.

The government doesn't control your healthcare choices under Single Payer. It is basically Medicare for all.

Besides, when the uninsured need a procedure or to see a specialist, the healthcare industry controls rather they can have the procedure or see the specialist based on a patient's ability to pay.

He is completely oblivious to anything that denigrates his god of government. To him, they're always the protectors of the people and can do no wrong (unless it's Republican controlled, then they're the destroyers of all mankind and actual "devils" - yes, that's a real quote from him).

Government is ordained of God to maintain the social order and provide justice. Private health insurance companies are not.

Romans 13:1-7
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

He's a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and there's no turning back for him.

Yes, I'm a proud liberal. I don't agree with liberals on every point. However, I tend to agree with liberals more times than not.

May God have mercy on his soul, in that he never lives to see the fruits of his labors in having government control our health.

Again, having universal access to essential health care through a Single Payer system isn't government controlling your health. I'm more concerned with a government who leaves millions of Americans at the mercy of the private insurance system, which has failed to cover millions of Americans and denies coverage for those in their plans all the time.

In addition, you're confusion your "Americanism" with the Kingdom of God. Many precious saints of God live in countries with single payer systems, or some other government subsidized system, and prefer their system over one like ours. That doesn't make them any less Christian.

However, ignoring the plight of the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the stranger... this should cause us to question one's faith regardless as to what country they live in.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Families and medical records show treatable conditions and inability to pay. And odds are that the numbers are higher if you consider reported deaths of homeless people.

Your really trying to justify a system that rations care based on ability to pay, leaving thousands of poor and working poor dying from treatable conditions. It isn't rationed based on age, chance of recovers, quality of life, but instead it's rationed based on cold hard cash.

BBBWWAAAHHHAA Single payer is the most rationed system on the planet.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

BBBWWAAAHHHAA Single payer is the most rationed system on the planet.

Actually, it isn't. Even if only 22,000 people die every year from lack of health insurance in the United States, our system is still the most rationed system on earth. Only we ration based on ability to pay, not age and prognosis. In America money talks. If you are wealthy enough to afford insurance, negotiate, or to pay for your care out of pocket, you're all good. If not, and you have a serious condition, well... hope you find a charity. Because without it, you're gonna die.

[Aquila]

Here's something relevant to this discussion....

Every Tea Partier's utopia

"...we as a society refuse to extend care to all human beings, and 17,000 people die each year in states that have refused to expand Medicaid to cover people in poverty. In North Carolina alone, that number is 2,800. That's seven people a day. Seven human beings who were loved by their family and friends, just as my son was.

I helped organize a die-in this last week in Raleigh, and the eulogist, Rev. Dr. William Barber II, suggested we have open-casket funerals for the people who die from lack of care so people can see the result of our state's politicians' uncaring attitude toward the lives of the people they are supposed to be serving."

Main article:

An open casket


Oct 31, 2015 11:55am EDT by Lesboyd
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This is the final photo of my son, taken six weeks before he died. I hate to even look at it, but there it is. He weighed about 104 -- and he would lose another 15 or so pounds before he finally starved to death.

I wasn't even going to save the photo because I prefer to remember my son as a healthy, funny, hyperactive clown. But this is what I live with now -- the memory of a gaunt, pain-wracked young man.

If Mike had been able to get the colonoscopies he needed, he would still be the person I want to remember.

Instead, we as a society refuse to extend care to all human beings, and 17,000 people die each year in states that have refused to expand Medicaid to cover people in poverty. In North Carolina alone, that number is 2,800. That's seven people a day. Seven human beings who were loved by their family and friends, just as my son was.

I helped organize a die-in this last week in Raleigh, and the eulogist, Rev. Dr. William Barber II, suggested we have open-casket funerals for the people who die from lack of care so people can see the result of our state's politicians' uncaring attitude toward the lives of the people they are supposed to be serving.

When Emmett Till was murdered in Mississippi in 1955, his mother decided on an open-casket funeral so people could see what had been done to her boy. Well, this is what was done to mine.

These legislators who refuse to expand Medicaid call themselves pro-life, but their policies prove otherwise. They care nothing for life once it has exited the birth canal. They care only about scoring political points, and as the body count mounts, they suffer no consequences for the lives they allow to be snuffed out.

A friend of mine said she wishes she believed in hell so she could picture them there. I just want the unnecessary deaths to stop.

So, I will make this photo public. This is what was done to my son. This is what happens to people who can't get access to the care they need.

In the end, we still pay for this care. My son's surgeries, chemo and radiation cost taxpayers nearly $1 million, when we could have saved his life for about $1,000 a year. When you allow someone to go without needed preventive care and chronic disease management, they become very sick -- and very expensive.

If you live in a state that has so far refused to expand Medicaid, your insurance rates could double -- or more -- this year. Don't blame Obama; blame the anti-lifers you elected to your state legislatures and governors' mansions. They have the care they need and always will, but they deny it to others.

You have the vote. You can send them home and replace them with people who do care.

Meanwhile, consider this photo and how unnecessary his suffering -- and that of those who loved and miss him -- was and is.

Source Link:http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/...ege-looks-like

[aegsm76]

Another story to justify forcibly taking money from one person to give to another.
Of course now we only have something like 48% who actually pay taxes, so it becomes easier to justify.

[n david]

Because people never lie on the internets....

Colon cancer at 30?

My insurance wouldn't cover a colonoscopy at this time. I highly doubt the lib utopian single payer system would cover it at that age either.

[Dordrecht]

That would be free in Canada because it's included in the Medical Service Plan.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

That would be paid for by someone else in Canada because it's included in the Medical Service Plan.

There.
I fixed it for you.