The Pioneer School - Lesson 5 "Preach and Heal"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by peter83

I don’t know, about this guy.

He has an accent?

Also he doesn’t look like he lifts.

He is also very bald.

Does he shave his head or did he lose his hair somewhere?

Why are the two other people blondes with blue eyes?

What do they think about Sicilians?

Do they eat Spinach pie hot, or cold?

Do they put lemon on potatoes?

[Michael The Disciple]

At 22:46:

The Holy Spirit leads to repentance and holiness.

28:15

Brutally honest.

34:00

Wisdom.

Much of what he mentions concerning the Charismatic Movement I saw also in the Pentecostal Movement.

Pretty good discussion on false manifestations. Nothing really on doctrine where one might be able to judge more fully where one is coming from.

[votivesoul]

Here's a book he wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Doctrin.../dp/1938526457

Here it appears to be in pdf:

http://www.holiness.org.uk/sounddoctrine.pdf

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I get what your meaning was Bro. Its just that there are thousands of videos where people ridicule tongues and healing. I have to go by what I see taught in scripture first off. Jesus said these signs shall follow them that believe. Those that attack that I am just as leary of as those who may be faking it or using it as a cloak for other deception.

As far as Torben goes I put up a thread here years ago saying I was impressed with him. The thread was titled something like Impressed By Lutheren!

When I speak well of him it is because he came from Luthernism to a lot more truth. That he is trying to bring sinners to an Acts 2:38....born again experience. He is promoting more than pew warming.

Now if I were to have to judge him on every point of his doctrine (which I dont know) I may not be so positive in my thinking toward him.

I think currently on the basis of his preaching of Acts 2:38 and the fact that he goes out after the sinners to get them saved he is a good example to modern day Apostolics who seem to have ALMOST no interest in that.

I am not so enamored by the WAY he ministers to people on the street but then again I see ALMOST no one else who teaches Acts 2:38 on the street period. So I want to be charitable toward him if possible unless and until I find out some verifiable facts why I should not.

And I thought you spoke in tongues but the video was so cold against tongues and Charismatic/Pentecostal experience I needed confirmation you still stand in this faith.

Well said my brother! Well said! I'm off my soap box :-)

I'll put into practice the words of Paul

Philippians 1:15-18

"Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

Happy New Year! Let us bring in the near year praying, fasting, and sharing the word of the Lord! May God bless you and your family in 2018 with abundance, health, and prosperity of your soul in Jesus name!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Well said my brother! Well said! I'm off my soap box :-)

I'll put into practice the words of Paul

Philippians 1:15-18

"Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

Happy New Year! Let us bring in the near year praying, fasting, and sharing the word of the Lord! May God bless you and your family in 2018 with abundance, health, and prosperity of your soul in Jesus name!

Love you Bro. Much blessings to You, Cynthia, and the kids!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Here's a book her wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Doctrin.../dp/1938526457

Here it appears to be in pdf:

http://www.holiness.org.uk/sounddoctrine.pdf

Well I read/skimmed this book tonight. First impression its not really about sound doctrine in the sense of one laying out all their beliefs. Its about the sound doctrine OF HOLINESS.

If one wants to know his beliefs say about baptism they need to go to his online school and check there. I did this several years ago and I recall being pleased with what I read tho I dont remember EXACTLY what was said.

There was nothing in this book about the big issue we as Oneness want to know. Is he Oneness or Trinity?

Now having said that as far as what the book DOES SAY:

I have hardly EVER heard such clear and Biblical teaching on holiness. Definitely better than 95% of any "Apostolic" teaching on the matter. None of this pathetic, stolen from Evangelical type holiness that I hear year after year.

The book by Torbem teaches the plain truth.

Its holiness or Hell.

He takes holiness into "heart purity" showing that if sin is even just in the heart, it will bring a loss of salvation if not repented of.

Impressed again.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well I read/skimmed this book tonight. First impression its not really about sound doctrine in the sense of one laying out all their beliefs. Its about the sound doctrine OF HOLINESS.

If one wants to know his beliefs say about baptism they need to go to his online school and check there. I did this several years ago and I recall being pleased with what I read tho I dont remember EXACTLY what was said.

There was nothing in this book about the big issue we as Oneness want to know. Is he Oneness or Trinity?

Now having said that as far as what the book DOES SAY:

I have hardly EVER heard such clear and Biblical teaching on holiness. Definitely better than 95% of any "Apostolic" teaching on the matter. None of this pathetic, stolen from Evangelical type holiness that I hear year after year.

The book by Torbem teaches the plain truth.

Its holiness or Hell.

He takes holiness into "heart purity" showing that if sin is even just in the heart, it will bring a loss of salvation if not repented of.

Impressed again.

Im reading through it now....strong word....