An abuse of authority????

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes but apparently it was pretty obvious who this Pastor was speaking of. Perhaps it would have been better to make this speech in church instead of on FB?

True. I understand your point. I have a story.
As a child, my mother had a practice. Wherever we cut up, she corrected us. She never waited until she got home because then we would probably forget WHY she was correcting us in the first place. So if we cut up in the store, she corrected the behavior in the store. We remembered the lesson forever (I sure do).

Perhaps the Pastor was practicing this by correcting it ON fb since the incident happened ON fb. Just a thought. *shrugs*

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

On the contrary, this Pastor is usually not responsive to the personal choices of the saints but he does speak up concerning things that others may view as controversial. He usually starts the day with a topic and actually INVITES PEOPLE to chime in. He gives place for other leaders and other saints who just have a view point. It's refreshing to see a leader that is open to that kind of dialogue.

Well, them maybe it was just a misunderstanding. I could have jumped to conclusions just like this other person because there is a certain amount of spiritual abuse that occurs in the apostolic circles.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Up until now it seems that what the Pastor did was not to correct this person's character but warn others not to mimick the same behavior. Did this pastor contact this individual privately first?

IMO that is exactly what the Pastor was attempting to do-- remind the saints in general.

To my knowledge, the person was not contacted individually.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

True. I understand your point. I have a story.
As a child, my mother had a practice. Wherever we cut up, she corrected us. She never waited until she got home because then we would probably forget WHY she was correcting us in the first place. So if we cut up in the store, she corrected the behavior in the store. We remembered the lesson forever (I sure do).

Perhaps the Pastor was practicing this by correcting it ON fb since the incident happened ON fb. Just a thought. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

IMO that is exactly what the Pastor was attempting to do-- remind the saints in general.

To my knowledge, the person was not contacted individually.

But doesn't it make you wonder why a pastor feels it is necessary to remind saints so quickly. When I was UPC I there was always something constantly going on where people were just acting like little kids. Folks were sleeping together and then shouting it down on Sunday night and the pastor new about all of it. They just always swept it under the rug and as long as folks shouted and spoke in tongues it was ok. But let one of us get our of hand who wasn't a big time worshiper, oh man, we would get it for wearing jeans to church or some other nonsense.

What type of saints are we dealing with who have to be reminded to be on their best behavior?

A pastor shouldn't have to tell people what he told them. If they truly have the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives there should be absolutely no reason for a pastor to have to stalk people.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

True. I understand your point. I have a story.
As a child, my mother had a practice. Wherever we cut up, she corrected us. She never waited until she got home because then we would probably forget WHY she was correcting us in the first place. So if we cut up in the store, she corrected the behavior in the store. We remembered the lesson forever (I sure do).

Perhaps the Pastor was practicing this by correcting it ON fb since the incident happened ON fb. Just a thought. *shrugs*

That's apples and oranges. You are comparing a parent and that parent's little kids to an adult and a man who is a Pastor. Not the same thing.

In fact the bible teaches elders on this matter to take it up PERSONALLY first. If that person does not receive it, have 2 or more others confront that person personally. Only then, and after the person refuses correction, is this made public

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

IMO that is exactly what the Pastor was attempting to do-- remind the saints in general.

To my knowledge, the person was not contacted individually.

But you just said more than once what the Pastor was doing was correct this individual.....again this thread is confusing lol

And so.....my point was if the pastor was wanting to remind his saints, do it in church when they are there and this individual is not

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

But doesn't it make you wonder why a pastor feels it is necessary to remind saints so quickly. When I was UPC I there was always something constantly going on where people were just acting like little kids. Folks were sleeping together and then shouting it down on Sunday night and the pastor new about all of it. They just always swept it under the rug and as long as folks shouted and spoke in tongues it was ok. But let one of us get our of hand who wasn't a big time worshiper, oh man, we would get it for wearing jeans to church or some other nonsense.

What type of saints are we dealing with who have to be reminded to be on their best behavior?

A pastor shouldn't have to tell people what he told them. If they truly have the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives there should be absolutely no reason for a pastor to have to stalk people.

I hardly see it as stalking. I think that the person is still friends...as in a contact of the Pastor. Therefore their feeds would appear in the notifications the Pastor gets daily (I would think). It's not hard to keep up with the activities of the saints when they are your friends lol.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But you just said more than once what the Pastor was doing was correct this individual.....again this thread is confusing lol

And so.....my point was if the pastor was wanting to remind his saints, do it in church when they are there and this individual is not

I see the point. I think in retrospect that it was general and not specific..I dunno I'm confused myself now lol.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

True. I understand your point. I have a story.
As a child, my mother had a practice. Wherever we cut up, she corrected us. She never waited until she got home because then we would probably forget WHY she was correcting us in the first place. So if we cut up in the store, she corrected the behavior in the store. We remembered the lesson forever (I sure do).

Perhaps the Pastor was practicing this by correcting it ON fb since the incident happened ON fb. Just a thought. *shrugs*

That's how we correct our border collie when he needs it (which is all the time) but I don't think adults need that same instant "Shhhhhh!" with the simultaneous snap of the finger that made Cesar Millan famous.

[Praxeas]

Yeah I don't see how Delta got to stalking. This person was on the Pastors FB list...you can see what others post daily when you log in. You don't have to visit that person's page