im not joking the insults hve already started with this brother being called a money seeker etc etc.,apparently it is controversial to some with all the speculation, read it all not just parts and yes i can blame this forum for increasing someones burden, you never know what someone is dealing with. people insult groups and people on here all the time despite the rules. i give up im outta here on this one
As long as they are liberal it is ok to criticize? We just gotta make sure we are condemning the right people.
Another example of how a grown up can act like a teenager and slam the door and declare they are through because it doesn't go their way.
I tell my son when he acts that way, "Don't be a quitter."
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Speak to the larger issue, how much of people's decision about ministry are connected to their purse? How many pastors no longer feel like they should be at the church they are, but are too "comfortable" living on that amount of tithe. Does this hurt the call of the evangelist? The missionary? How attractive is it to live in a third-world country when our cream-of-the-crop pastors live high on the hog (in comparison)?
On the other hand, I may pick an organization that will lend me more influence than one that would pay me more, but those usually go hand-in-hand.
Another excerpt from the same email from the Bishop to the General Board
reads like a Craigslist add/resume:
"Remember, Bro. Talmadge French was raised in the Assemblies of God and heard the Oneness Message first on Harvestime as Bro. Urshan ministered on radio. He gladly shares the testimony of receiving his own revelation of the mighty God in Christ as he ministers. As well as holding revival services, he teaches on many doctrinal subjects to the churches he ministers in. He is now available for ministry. If you would like to contact him, please call him at 9**-***-****. He may also be contacted by e-mail at………*****@yahoo.com
A man of TFs credentials and worldview has limited opportunities if blacklisted by the mothership.
This idea that ministers, especially, non-pastors and non-salaried ministers, somehow don't factor economics in their decision-making when choosing the circle of fellowship/ is in the least, NAÏVE.
This is classic case of a man who was promised one thing and got another.
He has a responsibility to provide for his family.
Another excerpt from the same email from the Bishop to the General Board
reads like a Craigslist add/resume:
"Remember, Bro. Talmadge French was raised in the Assemblies of God and heard the Oneness Message first on Harvestime as Bro. Urshan ministered on radio. He gladly shares the testimony of receiving his own revelation of the mighty God in Christ as he ministers. As well as holding revival services, he teaches on many doctrinal subjects to the churches he ministers in. He is now available for ministry. If you would like to contact him, please call him at 9**-***-****. He may also be contacted by e-mail at………*****@yahoo.com
A man of TFs credentials and worldview has limited opportunities if blacklisted by the mothership.
This idea that ministers, especially, non-pastors and non-salaried ministers, somehow don't factor economics in their decision-making when choosing the circle of fellowship/ is in the least, NAÏVE.
This is classic case of a man who was promised one thing and got another.
He has a responsibility to provide for his family.
I understand, but it's also what concerns me. You aren't in the ministry as a vocation for you to be able to provide for your family. But rather, since you are in the ministry, you seek assistance with helping providing for your family. It's interesting how we sell services instead of ministers not being taken care of somehow.
This creates a marketing game out of the ministry, as your CL style ad shows. And at camp meetings when the "starving evangelists" all come up to hopefully get the tap that they can come preach somewhere. It doesn't sound like NT ministry. Not a criticism, just something I'm hoping mine and future generations can change.
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Re: Talmadge French Heads Home to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Kim Komando
Another excerpt from the same email from the Bishop to the General Board
reads like a Craigslist add/resume:
"Remember, Bro. Talmadge French was raised in the Assemblies of God and heard the Oneness Message first on Harvestime as Bro. Urshan ministered on radio. He gladly shares the testimony of receiving his own revelation of the mighty God in Christ as he ministers. As well as holding revival services, he teaches on many doctrinal subjects to the churches he ministers in. He is now available for ministry. If you would like to contact him, please call him at 9**-***-****. He may also be contacted by e-mail at………*****@yahoo.com
A man of TFs credentials and worldview has limited opportunities if blacklisted by the mothership.
This idea that ministers, especially, non-pastors and non-salaried ministers, somehow don't factor economics in their decision-making when choosing the circle of fellowship/ is in the least, NAÏVE.
This is classic case of a man who was promised one thing and got another.
He has a responsibility to provide for his family.
If you were a hot air balloon you would float out of sight. Let's just say he was dissatisfied and let it stand at that. Sometimes we do things then find it wasn't what we wanted..it's always best not to burn bridges behind us. UPCI is a great organization.
Another excerpt from the same email from the Bishop to the General Board
reads like a Craigslist add/resume:
"Remember, Bro. Talmadge French was raised in the Assemblies of God and heard the Oneness Message first on Harvestime as Bro. Urshan ministered on radio. He gladly shares the testimony of receiving his own revelation of the mighty God in Christ as he ministers. As well as holding revival services, he teaches on many doctrinal subjects to the churches he ministers in. He is now available for ministry. If you would like to contact him, please call him at 9**-***-****. He may also be contacted by e-mail at………*****@yahoo.com
A man of TFs credentials and worldview has limited opportunities if blacklisted by the mothership.
This idea that ministers, especially, non-pastors and non-salaried ministers, somehow don't factor economics in their decision-making when choosing the circle of fellowship/ is in the least, NAÏVE.
This is classic case of a man who was promised one thing and got another.
He has a responsibility to provide for his family.
There are a couple of errors in the email the Bishop sent...
First, Bro. French was Church of God..not AOG.
Second, according to his bio in his book Our God Is One:
"...he became a member Of the UPCI through the profound influence of Harvestime..." It does not read that he first heard the message on Harvestime...there is a difference.
For the record: Bro. French's mom and dad were members of the church I was raised in, and his father is still an active member there. Little Talmadge was in my mom's S.S. class.
Following his parents divorce, mom and her boys moved away, and I don't recall seeing them again.
He did NOT hear the Oneness message first through Harvestime, though that may be where he first understood it as such.
I always stumble on the good fights late... oh well. Yeah, I imagine Frenchy's just lining his pockets now. Everybody in the UPC is a fat cat who sold out their ideals for some good ol' mammon. I've been thinking of going back just so I can get that second boat.
And Kim Komando's a dude?
Maybe TF just felt, you know, lonely. Maybe he just wanted to be around more people. Maybe he felt like he got involved in something that just wasn't working out the way he had thought it would. Maybe it's just a "do over." Hats off to the NC Board for allowing mulligans.
I always stumble on the good fights late... oh well. Yeah, I imagine Frenchy's just lining his pockets now. Everybody in the UPC is a fat cat who sold out their ideals for some good ol' mammon. I've been thinking of going back just so I can get that second boat.
And Kim Komando's a dude?
Maybe TF just felt, you know, lonely. Maybe he just wanted to be around more people. Maybe he felt like he got involved in something that just wasn't working out the way he had thought it would. Maybe it's just a "do over." Hats off to the NC Board for allowing mulligans.
I was staying out of this thread, but I agree that there are a great number of reasons that Rev. French could be coming back. If you're assuming that it was financial is that also your assumption for why he left in the first place? It does not make sense to me that it would be true both ways, so the assumption is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
As to Komando's post, I guess it's our right to question what people do, but I think the fact that it was "the elephant in the room" to Komando says a lot about his perspective. I'm not sure it was quite that big of an issue or foregone conclusion to everyone else.
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Speak to the larger issue, how much of people's decision about ministry are connected to their purse? How many pastors no longer feel like they should be at the church they are, but are too "comfortable" living on that amount of tithe. Does this hurt the call of the evangelist? The missionary? How attractive is it to live in a third-world country when our cream-of-the-crop pastors live high on the hog (in comparison)?
On the other hand, I may pick an organization that will lend me more influence than one that would pay me more, but those usually go hand-in-hand.
I can name 4 UPC pastors I know personally and even more that I have seen at a distance who treat their churches as their family business and as personal retirement policy even if letting go to a younger man would make the congregation grow.
But I don't think money or even position is why Talmadge French left the WPF. He is a true believer and a zealot, I doubt he can be moved by money like that, I've seen him in real life too much for a 3 year period. Most likely he felt like the WPF was nothing but the failed power play that it turned out to be and was turned off by the ego's once the veneer of a exciting new thing wore off.
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