Pentecostal Worship isn't so Pentecostal Nowadays. - Page 6

Baron1710 · #51 03-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

excessively emotional character: the emotionalism of sentimental fiction.
2. strong or excessive appeal to the emotions: the emotionalism of patriotic propaganda.
3. a tendency to display or respond with undue emotion, esp. morbid emotion.
4. unwarranted expression or display of emotion.

Curious. Who gets to decide what is too much display of emotion?

Would you see running, dancing or jumping as possible displays of rejoicing or being emotional about something?

e·mo·tion·al·ism
n.
1.The tendency to display emotion freely or to rely on or place too much value on emotion. 2. Undue display of emotion.

Since words are defined in context, when I used the term you can use either of the above definitions.

We tend to manipulte through emotion and if you don't react the way you are supposed to, based on what the group determines, you are not spiritual.

mizpeh · #52 03-09-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I have no problem with worship. How many of these people act the way they do in church when they are home worshiping where no one can see them?

I am betting they don't run around their coffee table or flop on the floor.

I can tell you I'm the same way at home when I feel the presence of God as I am at church.

But as for others, only God knows whether they are seeking to be seen of men or of God. I don't want to judge their offering of praise. God is the one who accepts or rejects it. And I don't want to make fun of them.

If you don't like rowdy, emotional worship, then that is your choice.

Maybe there are things in which I might draw the line, but running, leaping, dancing, shouting, clapping, making a loud noise are not those things.

Sherri · #53 03-09-2009, 10:15 PM

Nothin' wrong with a little emotionalism!

God made us to be emotional creatures.

Praxeas · #54 03-09-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

e·mo·tion·al·ism
n.
1.The tendency to display emotion freely or to rely on or place too much value on emotion. 2. Undue display of emotion.

Since words are defined in context, when I used the term you can use either of the above definitions.

We tend to manipulte through emotion and if you don't react the way you are supposed to, based on what the group determines, you are not spiritual.

Either of the two may be the right definition but at what point does emotional become emotionalism? Who defines undo or too much?

BTW the rest of what you said is manipulation not emotionalism

Baron1710 · #55 03-09-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Either of the two may be the right definition but at what point does emotional become emotionalism? Who defines undo or too much?

BTW the rest of what you said is manipulation not emotionalism

Absolutly it is manipulation, achieved through emotionalism.

As Potter Stewart said about pornogrophy.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."

Sherri · #56 03-09-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Absolutly it is manipulation, achieved through emotionalism.

As Potter Stewart said about pornogrophy.

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it..."

I think we've all seen enough cheerleading and manipulating in worship services to last us a lifetime. But we can't throw it all out, just because it's been abused. Personally, I like emotional praise & worship - shouting/dancing/etc. What Jesus has done for me is worth getting excited about!

mizpeh · #57 03-09-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Dunno. Have you eaten today, are you running a temperature? Maybe you need to sit down and rest for a while.

None of the above.

You were implying pipe organs can only be used in conjunction with the butchering of humans and not the worship of God.

James 3:9-10 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing..

mizpeh · #58 03-09-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

I think we've all seen enough cheerleading and manipulating in worship services to last us a lifetime. But we can't throw it all out, just because it's been abused. Personally, I like emotional praise & worship - shouting/dancing/etc. What Jesus has done for me is worth getting excited about!

Baron1710 · #59 03-09-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

I think we've all seen enough cheerleading and manipulating in worship services to last us a lifetime. But we can't throw it all out, just because it's been abused. Personally, I like emotional praise & worship - shouting/dancing/etc. What Jesus has done for me is worth getting excited about!

I wasn't throwing out being emotional, I do object to out of control antics that put others at risk. When an individual loses control of themselves in such a way that they are stomping on the hands of sleeping babies and knocking other people to the ground, it is clearly a "I know it when I see it" moment.

pelathais · #60 03-09-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

None of the above.

You were implying pipe organs can only be used in conjunction with the butchering of humans and not the worship of God.

James 3:9-10 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing..

I implied nothing. I came right out and said that the pipe organ was invented for use in Roman circuses and then I said that this instrument of pagan entertainment was introduced into the church by Christians.

James 3:9-10, is an excellent point.