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07-03-2008, 09:04 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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Originally Posted by shag
Yeah, that's a good point on probably being "bowed heads for respect". I do think they could stand to throw some "American Loyalty"(true to America) in the last line, since their singing it "nowadays", long after the break away from slavery.
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It was the black man who sold them into slavery, it was a white man who freed them from slavery.
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07-03-2008, 09:11 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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It was the black man who sold them into slavery, it was a white man who freed them from slavery.
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What a silly statement devoid of any idea of what happened in between.
From 1619 to 1865 ...
It was a white man who dehumanized, beat, raped, whipped, and bartered them like animals.
This continued w/ Jim Crow ... until the 1950's and 60's.
You sound like someone did another a favor. Holy smokes!!!!
Ignorance is abounding today.
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07-03-2008, 09:14 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
Just for the record - I was just as appalled when Rosanne Barr screeched out the National Anthem.
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07-03-2008, 09:18 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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What a silly statement devoid of any idea of what happened in between.
It was a white man who dehumanized, beat, raped, whipped, and bartered them like animals.
Ignorance is abounding today.
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So did black men, Daniel.
And there were many white men who fought to have slavery abolished. The heroics of both black and white people to abolish slavery should be recognized.
In Africa, it is black men who are still dehumanizing, beating, raping, whipping, shooting, torturing, murdering, slaughtering their fellow black men, women and children like animals. That's in the present. I would like to see the angry energy directed towards a checkered PAST in the USA redirected towards solving real existing problems NOW.
Like I said earlier, Ms. Rene is late with her statement. It isn't needed now, and comes across like a buzzing fly that needs a good swat. MOST Americans have moved on from a past of racism, except to be continually reminded of it by those who seek bitterness and division, rather than peace and unity.
I don't think anyone wants to rewrite history, but lets celebrate the fact that racism, for all intents and purposes, has been eradicated in this country. A person has the right to "feel" however they want--including disliking other races--but they no longer have the right or freedom to act upon their dislike or hatred. Wasn't that the whole point?
Here is a good quote:
"As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the [Dr. Huey P. Newton] Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn... [T]hey denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded... The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people."[52]
– Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation , There Is No New Black Panther Party
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07-03-2008, 09:18 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
What a silly statement devoid of any idea of what happened in between.
From 1619 to 1865 ...
It was a white man who dehumanized, beat, raped, whipped, and bartered them like animals.
This continued w/ Jim Crow ... until the 1950's and 60's.
Ignorance is abounding today.
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That was one old white dude!!
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07-03-2008, 09:19 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. i could care less about a persons color of their skin ,, if they r legal then they can be here and i dont care,every race can have their own songs shouldnt matter to anyone else ..u dont like it u dont have to sing it ...but to not sing the national anthem is wrong .. it should be a binding song of those that appreciate this country and what has been done to get it to this point.
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07-03-2008, 09:19 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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Just for the record - I was just as appalled when Rosanne Barr screeched out the National Anthem.
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My goodness, me too! Talk about causing an uproar--and rightly so.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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07-03-2008, 09:24 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
That was one old white dude!!
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Of course other black men did this ... but to dare marginalize this horrible chapter in our history by making a white man the savior when many of them were the villain in this tragedy is sick.
Miss B... I know 1 million men died in the Civil War ... a war fought for many reasons ... but fought predominantly for economic reasons ... one being a workforce that cost next to nothing ... a move from an agrarian economy to an industrialized one ...
The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in the Confederacy ... which Lincoln had no jurisdiction over ... and we did not do so in the Union until after the War ... and NO LINCOLN WASN'T alive when we did so Constitutionally.
Some historians note this was a political move at a crucial juncture in the War for personal expediency as the South was advancing ...
In the end ... it was abolished w/ much bloodshed.
Only to be replaced by another form of "slavery" ... sharecropping and segregation.
The latter ending on a legal level just 40 years ago.
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07-03-2008, 09:25 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
Daniel, no one is objecting to the Black National Anthem. Have you heard a single person reject or object to that song? No one minds. And it is appreciated, just as any other sacred hymn. But the national anthem is set apart, and appropriately so.
Quite frankly, I didn't even really care for Mickey Mangun's version of the anthem. Musically, it didn't really work, and some songs sound better in their original simplicity. JMO
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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07-03-2008, 09:27 AM
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Re: Black National Anthem?? What in the world...
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Of course other black men did this ... but to dare marginalize this horrible chapter in our history by making a white man the savior when many of them were the villain in this tragedy is sick.
Miss B... I know 1 million men died in the Civil War ... a war fought for many reasons ... but fought predominantly for economic reasons ... one being a workforce that cost next to nothing ... a move from an agrarian economy to an industrialized one ...
The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in the Confederacy ... which Lincoln had no jurisdiction over ... and did not do so in the Union until after the War ...
Some historians note this was a political move at a crucial juncture in the War for personal expediency ...
In the end ... it was abolished w/ much bloodshed.
Only to be replaced by another form of "slavery" ... sharecropping and segregation.
The latter ending on a legal level just 40 years ago.
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It still ended. Political reasons or not. You can write it all off as convenient and political if you want to, but you can't tell me that families fought against families just for the sake of the economy. I tend to believe it was a lot more passionate than that. Men fight for ideals.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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