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[Praxeas]

BTW My Irish family came here as immigrants and were discriminated against. My Italian family came here and THEY were discriminated against. They were all considered white, but because of color distinctions and not nationality distinction or cultural distinction they were some how the majority anyways...

BTW Chinese came here and THEY were discriminated against and for all practical purposes were slaves workin on the rail road all the live long day.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

Again, Native indians are a MINORITY. Hispanics are a MINORITY. Asians are a MINORITY.

Yes, it is true. If organizations are raised up that supports White Power as Dave Chappelle tauted in his show, then it would be racist and all kinds of heck would ensue.

But that is because wherever there is a minority there is a MAJORITY.

Who is that majority? Sing it along with me....white people.

Wherever there is a minority representation, it is of the utmost necessity that the minority employ efforts to preserve their culture and make sure that their voice is heard and that they are properly considered and represented in goverment and society. I learned this in civics class in high school.

We can all co exist in school, workplace, church, etc and yet still hold to our cultures and racial identities. I say it is necessary to do so.

Lets look at Hispanics. When they are together they speak their language to each other. They cook dishes that are representative of their culture. They have holidays and festivities that celebrate them exclusively.

Yet, when they come into mainstream America, idealistically, they speak the American native language, they assimilate into American culture and do well.

If this is acceptable and celebrated in Hispanic culture, why is it feared and looked down upon in African American culture??????

What are we afraid of?

Whites are the majority not for long granted, but are so now. So they dont need organizations promoting or empowering them because they are already empowered and promoted the day they are born. Yes, white people do have an advantage over all others in this country BECAUSE they are the majority.

They have the best schools. They earn more than Blacks, no matter how educated a black person is. The White male being the highest earner around.

They still live in the best neighborhoods. They have the biggest religious organizations in the country. In which they are on the boards, trustees and leadership.

They have the money. It is true. I know some will say what I say is racist. It is not meant to be...it is fact.

I learned this in civics class too.

So minorities of all kinds have to go extra strides and thrive harder to be represented properly and to make it. That is a fact.

So to answer all your questions, white people have an advantage over miniorities thus they do NOT need special representation, (I am going there!) reparations or organizations to empower them.

Oh please. Let's not have the persecution room spray here.

You speak of culture. That's not the issue here. Not at all. Nobody said anything about culture.

So, would you think it would be ok for me to arrive in Ethiopia with a 'White Pride' T-shirt on, since I'll be the minority in that country? Is that your excuse for me not having a reason to wear one in America?

I'm proud to be white. If I were born black, I'd be proud to be black. If I were hispanic, I'd be proud to be hispanic.

There's no crime in taking pride in who one is. But again, you give excuses for the minorities to be proud and claim it but tell me that I can't because I'm a white girl in a country where whites are the majority. Go figure.

Then don't claim your black pride on African soil. You'd be going against your own rules.

I'll be the one wearing the T-shirt instead, ok?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

If this is acceptable and celebrated in Hispanic culture, why is it feared and looked down upon in African American culture??????

When and where is it feared and looked down on?

What are we afraid of?

nothing. Where do you get that idea?

Whites are the majority not for long granted, but are so now. So they dont need organizations promoting or empowering them because they are already empowered and promoted the day they are born.

Please tell me how I am empowered?

Yes, white people do have an advantage over all others in this country BECAUSE they are the majority.

No SOME white people have advantages yet there are "minorities" that have advantages over many whites too

They have the best schools.

We do? Well if that is true then so do the Hispanics, Blacks and Asians that went to school with me.......hmmmmmm

They earn more than Blacks, no matter how educated a black person is.

I bet Asians per capita earn more than whites.....I know "minorities" that climbed the ladder faster than all the whites....because they were whites...have you ever looked to see who earned more blacks or hispanics? blacks or asians?

The White male being the highest earner around.

do you think there are more blacks on welfare and living in ghettos than whites? Do you think the trailer park white trash earns more than the college educated black man? How much do averages play into that statistic?

They still live in the best neighborhoods.

Not where I come from. Whites do NOT all live in the best neighbor hoods. They do not ALL have best schools and they are not ALL making more money

They have the money.

They have "the money"? I have no money honey and I am white. And while you read this you may realize and admit NOT all whites have all this but realize this that just because SOME whites have all this does NOT give me one shred of power. I know just as many minorities that own homes and went to good schools and are not living in bad areas that make good money as I do whites....and more so

It is true. I know some will say what I say is racist. It is not meant to be...it is fact.

It was a sweeping generalization

I learned this in civics class too.

must not have been a good school....you are not white right?

So minorities of all kinds have to go extra strides and thrive harder to be represented properly and to make it. That is a fact.

Then affirmative action does not work.

So to answer all your questions, white people have an advantage over miniorities thus they do NOT need special representation, (I am going there!) reparations or organizations to empower them.

No...SOME white people have an advantage over EVERYONE else including whites

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by GodsBabyGirl

Black people have a history and a culture that is uniquely our own. No other race or culture in THIS country was enslaved, tortured, imprisoned, lynched, families torn apart...all the while my ancestors helped build this country as we know it today.

Hispanics werent slaves. Asians weren slaves. Indians, they had this land stolen from them and some of them murdered, but as far as I know they werent slaves either. All the immigrants who migrate to America now, they havent been enslaved.

And neither have you. You have no idea anymore than I do what it's like to be a slave. Give me a break.

For thousands of years, white people served as slaves. Way longer than black people. Do I cry for my slaved ancestors? No. Why should I? That's in the past, and I choose to move forward, because continually crying about the past does nothing for me.

Yet we applaud those who come to this country and 'make it.' Well, a great part of that is due to the fact that they were sold the American dream...whereas when my ancestors were drug off the boats in chains after spending weeks or even months in the dungeons of boats that stole them, kidnapped them from their motherland.....

Your black brothers sold you to both white and black slave owners. Blame your own race, darlin.

They werent sold a dream, but a nightmare!

At the hands of their black brothers. Thank them, not the white man.

I saw ths website called 'the African American Holocast.' I had never heard it called that...but that is what it was.

So your arguments comparing the trek of African Americans in this country to other minorities is ludicrous and preposterous.

I know lots of African immigrants. I've went to school with several of them. They are confused by people like you. They don't get it. They wonder why you speak about the problems your race had so many decades ago when they continue to suffer in their country, thus the reason why they immigrated here. They say that you really don't have a right to complain because you just have no idea what true racial issues are. They live in countries where they are murdered by other black people for whatever reason their government wants to incite.

There is a big, BIG difference between coming here of your own volition hoping and praying for a better life and being kidnapped, tortured, killed, etc. and made to serve a man who doesn't respect you or your women or children.

And what exactly do you personally know about that? I have a feeling about the same as me, just a plain white girl.

I wanna know how a hispanic would have handled seeing his wife raped and being impregnated by a white man...and there is nothing he could do about it. Then only to learn the woman you love is having that jackal's baby????

Your anger issues need to be directed where they belong.

How willing would he be to serve this country and help masser with his empire then????

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE!

No, I wont forget my heritage. I can't. It is a part of who I am. It helps me to understand why the effects of slavery is still being felt by EVERY black person in this country now in 2008.

Even if it makes you feel uncomfortable. Sorry...

I have said it before and I will say it again...

When the church repents of her racism, then the country will follow suit....

The effects of slavery are still felt by you? Sorry, but I don't believe that.

The only thing African about you is the color of your skin, but you are just as much American as I am. Sorry to break it to ya.

Slavery was dealt with a long time ago. Let that sleeping dog lie.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Oh, I will readily agree with you there. Racism is way more prevalent and volatile (and violent) in Africa than it is here.

Racism exists among the blacks toward other blacks in that country. They are killed daily by their own people.

[HeavenlyOne]

Prax, good posts.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Your anger issues need to be directed where they belong.
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That is what this seems to be a, perpetuation of the anger...of something that happened a long time ago. We all agree it was a sad time in American History. We all agree it was wrong.....but it was NOT all whites doing it. The continued anger is a empowerment thing. It's a political thing. Men like Farrakhan would have few followers if not for the fact that white people exist to hate and he can make black people stay angry at something that did not happen to them. You don't see a whole grassroots movement and politics milking Japanese internment for all it is worth. I never see angry 15 year old japanese youth still angry over what happened.

But I blame black leadership for this. It's an empowerment took for them. It keeps THEM in power.

[Praxeas]

the church doesn't need to repent of racism...good grief. Individuals need to repent of their racism. This just sounds like people repeating the sound bytes of some else.

And the sad thing is anything can be twisted around into "racism" when it is really NOT. In other words the goal is not to fix racism but to make all whites feel guilty for things they did not do

[MissBrattified]

Thanks for your posts, Prax. (And thanks, Rico, for the "huh?")

I'm turning in. I am too tired to continue this conversation any further tonight! (...this morning.) (WHY do I drink coffee after dinner? WHY WHY WHY????)

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Racism exists among the blacks toward other blacks in that country. They are killed daily by their own people.

It isn't exactly racially motivated--since they're the same race, but it's motivated by the same prejudicial premise. (One group perceives itself as superior to the other group to the extent that the inferior group is denounced, persecuted or eradicated.)

GBG has taken a soapbox stance as if she's talking to a bunch of racist idiots on this forum, and until she steps down and talks to us like the fellow Christian brothers and sisters we are, this conversation is going nowhere.