Laodiceans, Has the church become Laodiceans?

[robert]

Originally Posted by CC1

But we still love ya!!!!

I may be off base with this thread but my intention was to bring attention to the differences people put upon themselves. I did not think of liberal, conservative, moderate until I started going to christian discussion forums. I never even thought of myself as a label yet I put one on myself. Revelations...Laodicea... came to my mind and I thought it might bring awareness to people about these differences. Aren't we as christians supposed to be likeminded. How can there be so many attitudes and different way of seeing scriptures...Doesn't this raise a red flag that something is out of sinc.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

bump for Robert

I'm 51 years old, I don't know your age but I asume your young. If I'm wrong forgive me. What does bump for Robert mean...is this an insult or a compliment or what? It appears you're insinuating that I'm a pharasee or a hypocrit. Am I correct in this assumption? I'm not sure where your heart is, but you do seem to be disrespectful to people you don't even know.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You never heard the nursery song "This little priggy went to market. This little priggy stayed him. This little priggy had roast beef and this little priggy had none"?

Wasn't that nusery rhyme...this little piggy...You still didn't explain what you were meaning when you said priggish. I'm an older man and am not up on youth lingo...Would you mind speaking in a way I can understand you. I can't tell if you're being serious or funning with me.

[robert]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No it does not say not to be a compromiser. But that is beside the point as we should not compromise the word of God. The PROBLEM is that you probably think anyone that does not believe like you is a compromiser because they are not your brand of conservative....but you might actually be the compromiser and not even realize it. Some of the MOST conservative people in the bible in Jesus's day were the Pharisees....they were Ultra Conservative AND they had compromised the word of God. Amazing eh?

Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
Mar 7:11 But you say, 'If a man tells his father or his mother, Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God)--
Mar 7:12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
Mar 7:13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do."


That's pharisees problem though. They thought they could please God with THEIR ability.

God looks for a broken humble heart and faith. In fact a Moderate or a Liberal could just as much as you be trying to please God and obey God even though they don't agree with your view of things. Again....maybe you are the cold or the lukewarm? Think about it. A very conservative person in outward works can be deader than a door nail inwardly


The problem is you decided for yourself that he was talking about being liberal, moderate and conservative and that you put yourself in the best catagory.

I never did say this, I just thought it ironic that we as christians divide ourselves using political terminology. Why do one mind one accord christians want to label themselves as having different ways of believing. I fell into the same trap, labeling myself as a conservative. I am being set upon by those that do not agree with a conservative point of view. Those that don't want to go to either extreme want to be moderate so they can have the best of both worlds. This can not be pleasing to God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by robert

I'm 51 years old, I don't know your age but I asume your young. If I'm wrong forgive me. What does bump for Robert mean...is this an insult or a compliment or what? It appears you're insinuating that I'm a pharasee or a hypocrit. Am I correct in this assumption? I'm not sure where your heart is, but you do seem to be disrespectful to people you don't even know.

Good grief. bump means I was bumping a post I made before that you did not respond to. It's not about being disrespectful.

Why ask is Cold liberal, is lukewarm moderate and is conservative Hot if you did not think this?

BTW Robert. We are just responding to what you are putting down here.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by robert

Wasn't that nusery rhyme...this little piggy...You still didn't explain what you were meaning when you said priggish. I'm an older man and am not up on youth lingo...Would you mind speaking in a way I can understand you. I can't tell if you're being serious or funning with me.

I didn't say priggish. someone else did. I was having fun with it. Sorry you don't understand things

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by robert

Would you say praying before church starts...a tradition of the church I went to in Kansas...would restrict spiritual growth, love and maturity. Actually good traditions don't restrict anyone from spiritual growth, love, and maturity except in the minds of those who want to make good traditions into evil things because they want to make newer and better traditions for themselves. Traditions that are probably worse than the ones they condemn.

You bring up a good point and a good way to springboard. Traditions are not always bad. In fact, quite often they are good and honorable and just plane healthy. But.... It WOULD be wrong to proclaim that "Praying before the service and the amount of said time shall not exceed less then such and such...." then call someone backslid who prays less then the average (in the prayer room before service).
This is, and always was, the problem with doctrinal 'standards' and the way they are all too often applied.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

Luke 18:9-13 (KJV)
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I'm going to quote you in another thread.....

[angelwannabe]

Originally Posted by robert

I've heard Political ideology described as left...middle...right. Also as liberal...moderate...conservative. The church has chosen it seems to use this same terminology. I can't understand why? Aren't we supposed to distance ourselves from the things of this world? Revelation may be where the world came up with these words...but Revelation says it like this, cold...lukewarm...hot. (Revelation 3:15-16) As God explains it...
cold is bad...lukewarm is the worst...hot is good. Fire is always used in a positive way, it purifies, it was used during the day of Pentecost Holy Ghost experience as a symbol of God's Spirit coming to God's people. Here is the point of this thread.
Is cold: liberal, left, bad.
Is lukewarm: middle, moderate, to be spued out.
Is hot: right, conservative, good.
People are using political terminology to state their position of belief. I express myself as a conservative, right, hot...Apostolic, and I feel good about it. What is your preferance. liberal,moderate, conservative......left,middle,right....or cold, lukewarm, hot.

Revelation 3: 14-19...
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;These things sayeth the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot. I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increasing with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I council thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mightest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent

Aren't you being a little judgemental?

[angelwannabe]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You bring up a good point and a good way to springboard. Traditions are not always bad. In fact, quite often they are good and honorable and just plane healthy. But.... It WOULD be wrong to proclaim that "Praying before the service and the amount of said time shall not exceed less then such and such...." then call someone backslid who prays less then the average (in the prayer room before service).
This is, and always was, the problem with doctrinal 'standards' and the way they are all too often applied.

What's with the serious look??? Are you trying to look intimidating?