+++Very, Very Odd...Have you noticed this?+++

[lovinglife]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Also, for an interesting sidenote, I've preached for (I think) 5 of the 6 Coordinators of the Tulsa meeting and all of them have racially diverse congregations. I also think those same Churches (can't say about the other) all have non-whites in leadership positions.

At least two of them are probably 1/3 to 1/2 non-whites.

I'm sorry, folks... I just can't see a reason for this line of thought outside of casting a negative light on those involved in Tulsa.

Originally Posted by lovinglife

By the way, Lovinglife, I know and love your Father. Have preached various meetings with him.

Great folks!

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by Thoughts by T

OMG. For all of you overeacters out there, I never once called anybody a racist. This was not the intent of the thread when it started. I was simply bringing up the question of absurdity of this whole thing. And "apprehended", it seems as if you are never wrong and always try to defend yourself...theres no point in arguing with someone who refuses to look at the big picture.

I was simply trying to bring out the point of "where is the balance in this whole thing? Is this something they just threw together? My goodness, their foreign missions board has no one that speaks another language, no one that actually can relate to being a foreign missionary, and how absurd is that? Maybe some have been over to other countrys and done some stuff over on other parts of the world, but my goodness how are they planning on starting new churches across seas? Has this whole thing really been thought out at all? I could go on and on about the whole absurdity of it all, but what is the point? To ensure balance, this should have been looked at and thought out more way than it has. I did not point fingers at any person or call anybody a racist. But I could have clarified my point better. My apologies. I will make sure in the future.

Speaking of things just thrown together. You might think a little more before hitting the submit button. Not only did your initial post appear to be implying racism but your facts are not all correct.
1.Not all the ministers listed are in the UPCI or have recently dropped. This is true of the vast majority but not all.
2. a) I believe you are incorrect in stating that none of the men on the board speak a foreign language.
b) You show your lack of knowledge in thinking that this should be a requirement for a group that would typically be responsible for promoting and arranging financial support for missions. The commitee is not the missionaries.

[lovinglife]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

By the way, Lovinglife, I know and love your Father. Have preached various meetings with him.

Great folks!

Thank you Reverend I appreciate that

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Thoughts by T

This thread might get deleted, but I am going to post it.

If you will look at the list of names on the committees for the World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship at this link, http://www.worldwidepf.com/page.php?ID=6 , you will notice that none of the names on here (and correct me if I am wrong) are African American, Hispanic, or Asian...... WOW. Is this odd or is it just me? All of the preachers on this committee are either still UPC or have recently just dropped their licence. Whats going on? Has anybody else noticed this?

Oh please is this for real? What about the Italians, is there any members who are Italians???

What about the Sicilians, no Sicilians?

Whatever, I'm really starting to believe that this whole thing is going over the top. Listen these Brothers who are having the Tulsa Conference are some of the finest Brothers in shoe leather. So how about cutting some slack and getting on with the business of having some revival.

I think the Television issue was wrong, and that's my opinion, but time proves all things, so allow Jesus Christ to sort it all out and lets see what it all looks like in 20 years.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

What on earth are you thinking about anyway. Do you see the word as a reference to something indecent? NOWAY. Where are people's minds nowadays.

Do people continually think VULGARLY? Are minds gone to to the point that they equate almost every word we use as something dirty and ugly.

Sorry, but I am not of that class of thinkers. I'm just not there.

See Matt? If someone points out racism....they are racists and now pointing out inappropriate language makes US the ones that think vulgarly....that's absurd. We live in an age where people try to turn it around on the others to justify themselves.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Sorry...

I reject the idea of it being cussing. There was no cuss word either directly or by an inuendo.

I reject the very idea. My mind is not in the gutter in the area of whatever YOU are thinking about. Whatever it is, I have no idea...neither do I WANT an idea. So, if someone thinks that it a CUSS word, just don't tell me. I'd rather remain in my inocence.

But, since some of you people think that the word FLIP is a cuss word, I will TRY to refrain from using it in the future. I just hope no one ever starts a thread in refrence to the t.v. program, "FLIP that house."

If you have a problem with it please take it up with StMatt in private. If you have not done so yet, please also read the forum rules. Thanks

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by lovinglife

Thank you Reverend I appreciate that

Lovinglife,

Great picture! Good to see you guys so happy I will have to ask though; Does your brother know you are on here?

Blessings, Rhoni

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See Matt? If someone points out racism....they are racists and now pointing out inappropriate language makes US the ones that think vulgarly....that's absurd. We live in an age where people try to turn it around on the others to justify themselves.

Unlike YOU...

RACISM is not the center and circumfrence of my WORLD.

I am really irritated with the constant social issues of today such as homosexuality and RACE that are constantly IN YOUR FACE from morning to night.

There is LIFE outside of the RACE issue.

Simply because I express my resentment at the IN YOUR FACE attitude with racism, you have to come on and make a BIG DEAL out of it.

I have no idea what race you are, but my reccommendation to you is GET A LIFE.

Apparently, because of some twisted idea of my rejection of the "in your face" attitude regarding race which is so cherished by you, you have chosen to twist the meaning of a word to send me an infraction.

I would tell you to get lost but somehow you ended up as a moderator...good grief.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Matt! Racism is the tearing down of OTHER races to promote your own or out right hatred for all other races....simply nothing the LACK of OTHER races in a religious organization can't possibly be a form or racism. That is judging the person that made that post. Just because he is noting some concern does not make him or her a racist

Probably the most narrow minded post that I've ever read.

Why would he have his mind swirlling around in that swill anyway? What is the all important "concern," that you have noted?

I don't care if the leadership is little or much of the black race....don't care at all. I don't give the SNAP of my fingers (no cuss word here) what race is in leadership. It is no concern or does it hold ANY interest to me. I am always very much perplexed by the attitudes of others who make it such a life and death concern for themselves.

If there is anyone of the black race has any interest in being in leadership within the ranks of any predominantly white Apostolic denomination, let them do what everyone else does that are in leadership. They must prove themselves in calling, election, anointing, wisdom, leadership and faithfulness. Those qualities are RACE NEUTRAL.

You don't have to make such a big deal out of all of this and then go looking for some reason to send me an INFRACTION.

Get it?