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12-26-2012, 12:09 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus is not the Father.
He is the image of the Father, the very Word of God made flesh, His Chosen One, but He is not the Father.
Who revealed Christ's identity as the Son to Peter?
Why didn't He who revealed the Sonship of Jesus also reveal the Father-ship of Jesus, as we Apostolics say so today?
There are prominent UPCI preachers who today do not hold to the belief that Jesus is the Father, but they are still Oneness. I know of one UPCI Pastor and one UPCI Evangelist who agree with this. However, my Dad's organization believes Jesus to be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God's Manifestation as Father is not His Same Manifestation as Son and is not His Same Manifestation as the Holy Spirit. One God, revealed in three roles. The original "Trinitarians" believed this and their usage of the word "Person" back then does not hold the same connotation that we have now.
Even still, most Trinitarians I know do not believe in a committee God.
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12-26-2012, 12:21 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Jesus is not the Father.
He is the image of the Father, the very Word of God made flesh, His Chosen One, but He is not the Father.
Who revealed Christ's identity as the Son to Peter?
Why didn't He who revealed the Sonship of Jesus also reveal the Father-ship of Jesus, as we Apostolics say so today?
There are prominent UPCI preachers who today do not hold to the belief that Jesus is the Father, but they are still Oneness. I know of one UPCI Pastor and one UPCI Evangelist who agree with this. However, my Dad's organization believes Jesus to be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God's Manifestation as Father is not His Same Manifestation as Son and is not His Same Manifestation as the Holy Spirit. One God, revealed in three roles. The original "Trinitarians" believed this and their usage of the word "Person" back then does not hold the same connotation that we have now.
Even still, most Trinitarians I know do not believe in a committee God.
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So what you are trying to say is that you know UPC pastors that are really trinity and you know trinitarians that are really oneness......
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12-26-2012, 12:32 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Call me what you want but If they deny Jesus is the father then they are serving another Jesus.
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I think you are dead wrong! The "Father" (in heaven) is generally a reference to God beyond the incarnation, while Jesus the "Son" is reference to God working in and through the incarnation.
Reserving the parental term "Father" for God's continued existence beyond the incarnation of Christ is proper.
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12-26-2012, 12:42 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I think you are dead wrong! The "Father" (in heaven) is generally a reference to God beyond the incarnation, while Jesus the "Son" is reference to God working in and through the incarnation.
Reserving the parental term "Father" for God's continued existence beyond the incarnation of Christ is proper.
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Is he one or a co-equal? I'm not denying the distinction of the roles but that doesn't change the fact the Jesus is the father, son and Holy Ghost
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12-26-2012, 05:21 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
World Harvest Church in Columbus, Oh. Their pastor has a daily television program that millions watch.
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I have never known any.
Can you name some trinitarian churches that do?
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12-26-2012, 06:55 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Jesus is not the Father.
He is the image of the Father, the very Word of God made flesh, His Chosen One, but He is not the Father.
Who revealed Christ's identity as the Son to Peter?
Why didn't He who revealed the Sonship of Jesus also reveal the Father-ship of Jesus, as we Apostolics say so today?
There are prominent UPCI preachers who today do not hold to the belief that Jesus is the Father, but they are still Oneness. I know of one UPCI Pastor and one UPCI Evangelist who agree with this. However, my Dad's organization believes Jesus to be the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God's Manifestation as Father is not His Same Manifestation as Son and is not His Same Manifestation as the Holy Spirit. One God, revealed in three roles. The original "Trinitarians" believed this and their usage of the word "Person" back then does not hold the same connotation that we have now.
Even still, most Trinitarians I know do not believe in a committee God.
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Jesus lied to Phillip then?
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12-26-2012, 07:27 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I think you are dead wrong! The "Father" (in heaven) is generally a reference to God beyond the incarnation, while Jesus the "Son" is reference to God working in and through the incarnation.
Reserving the parental term "Father" for God's continued existence beyond the incarnation of Christ is proper.
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This seems to be a denial that Jesus is God period. How about Jesus is the Father working in the incarnation? "If you have seen ME you seen the Father".
It is prophesied we will call the SON........EVERLASTING FATHER. Isaiah 9:6
Im cool with that. I like it. Im fulfilling that prophecy here this morning!
Jesus preexisted as YAH and still is.
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12-26-2012, 07:35 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Call me what you want but If they deny Jesus is the father then they are serving another Jesus.
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I wouldnt go as far as to say that but would agree they dont know the fulness of who he is. As far as FINAL salvation I dont think anyone can promise that to one who rejects Jesus as the Father.
"Unless you believe I AM HE you will die in your sins." John 8:24
Rather than being ashamed and offended at Jesus words we need to get busy preaching sound doctrine.
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12-26-2012, 09:29 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Call me what you want but If they deny Jesus is the father then they are serving another Jesus.
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How cowardly. You can't answer my points. Please answer ........was it a different Jesus that convicted me, and Spirit baptized me than the Jesus that led me into more truth?
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12-26-2012, 09:32 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wouldnt go as far as to say that but would agree they dont know the fulness of who he is. As far as FINAL salvation I dont think anyone can promise that to one who rejects Jesus as the Father.
"Unless you believe I AM HE you will die in your sins." John 8:24
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But don't we Oneness believers teach that term 'Father' is simply talking about God? Trinitarians would use John 8:24 as a proof text for the Deity of Christ.
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