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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Obviously he doesn't have free speech in his pulpit or he wouldn't have lost the case.
He is not mean spirited. He is very strict with standards and everything else.
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I'm not a bit surprised that he lost in a civil court. That's the nature of this world. They should have Nike's logo stamped on their forehead - "Just Do It"!
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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So you are okay with her wearing a bikini being grounds for divorce... and subsequent remarriage?
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Seriously? I have answered the same question over and over.
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07-13-2010, 09:41 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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How about this scenario, she went to a girl
friend's house to swim and her friend's brother showed up.
while she was in the pool in her bikini. Fornication?
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Of course this (similar at least) would be the scenario. Had it been a "date" or something "on the sly" it totally have been brought out in court.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Seriously? I have answered the same question over and over.
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Yes ... he would file for divorce ... flippantly flaunting his liberties.
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This error in judgment is not representative of the fine man I know Mark Fogarty to be. It's unfortunate for the victim, the Warner Robbins church, the Georgia District, and for Fogarty's own family and ministry.
In no way do I excuse his comments, however, if my wife was at a pool with one of my male friends in nothing but a bikini, I would file for divorce. In my opinion, she exercised extremely poor judgment, and showed an unhealthy willingness to mingle with a member of the opposite sex in a very volatile manner.
I do think everyone on this thread have missed the reason why Fogarty did not apologize. First, he may not have felt he did anything wrong. Second, he may have believed an apology would be viewed as an admission of guilt, and used against him in court.
Ironic, I know.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I'm looking at what was wrong with her that she would show up dressed like that? Something isn't right there. I could see the pastor and husband furious over her actions. Even if she wasn't in church and he was, he isn't going to be happy with her. She isn't being loyal to him. There was a separation in lifestyle and commitment. Something was not being equally yoked.
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Maybe she repented and was forgiven by the time the pastor brought it public. Let's face it PO, he was not in any way looking out for anyone's interest other than his daughter's. And what do we know about the marriage other than the wife once wore a bikini? What about the husband, was he totally innocent in the divorce?
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Well, I think I read that you think a bikini is acceptable in mixed company. Did I read you right on that?
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Yes you did. In fact, just last 4th of July I went swimming with a friend of mine, some mutual friends, his sister who is also a mutual friend, and also 2 girls and a guy from his youth group. All the girls had on bikinis.
There must have been a big orgy going on huh? LOL!
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I find it very hard to believe he would pick only ONE incident and tank her on it. Just can't see that. There is more to this story. It just doesn't make sense to have one isolated issue bring down the house.
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PO - Yes, there is more to this story. The pastor's daughter married this girl's ex-husband. This church doesn't allow divorce without an adultery reason. So if Ms. Driver had not committed adultery, his daughter would be living in sin. It's that simple.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I know Mark Fogarty. I do not know her.
I'm a hypocrite, and completely biased.
I would ignore someone who was threatening to sue me as well.
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And it would could cost you 500K
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Maybe, but no apology would have stopped the lawsuit any way.
And, for the record, I would only ever apologize for the public comments, not for feeling she committed sin.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I'm not a bit surprised that he lost in a civil court. That's the nature of this world. They should have Nike's logo stamped on their forehead - "Just Do It"!
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07-13-2010, 09:44 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Yes ... he would file for divorce ... flippantly flaunting his liberties.
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Okay, stop it goober. Now you are just being loopy. 
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