All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 51

BrotherEastman · #**501** 12-25-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Seekerman....you are kidding....Right?

The old oneness pentecostal song is this:

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

I love this old song!!!!!

Originalist · #**502** 12-25-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

Nope, read the hundreds of posts here on the forum and you'll see that the oneness pentecostal version is "Nothing About The Blood Of Jesus".

Nothing but the blood of Jesus could have redeemed and justified us, but nothing but the regenerating power of the indwelling Holy Spirit can SAVE us.

ROMANS 5:10.....For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his LIFE.

TITUS 3:5-8........5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

6 whom he poured out (at Pentecost) on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a trustworthy saying.

(Notice here in Titus 3 how Paul says that those who received the out-poured Holy Ghost are considered "justified by his grace". God doesn't let ignorant preachers saying the wrong words at baptism get in the way of saving a soul.)

EPHESIANS 1:7,13-14.....

7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.

EPHESIANS 1:14 in the KJV.....Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Old Paths · #**503** 12-25-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Is there an echo in here? You already made that ridiculous statement once.

First of all, I don't "witness" to "Trinitarians" (who probably never even think about labeling themselves that way to begin with). I witness to those who have never surrendered to Christ. That is my focus. I don't have time to try to straighten out everyone's thinking. If given a chance, I share my Godhead views with Trinitarians. Most of them say, "that sounds like what I believe", etc. It's the so-called "Theologians" and "Apologists" that give me trouble, not the guy on the pew.

Secondly, just sharing your views concerning the Godhead does not necessarily constitute a "revelation". Frankly, many of them have been taught not to believe every "revelation" that comes down the pike, but to study and pray, which for some might take years to come to a conclusion on the matter.

Thirdly, as far as witnessing to the unchurched, the Apostles never went too deep into the Godhead issue in Acts. It is a topic that can only be "spiritually discerned" per Paul, and without the Holy Ghost they'll never grasp it to begin with. In Acts, the Apostles presented Jesus as "the Son of God" and need for repentance and new birth. Teaching on the Godhead is a post salvation work and part of discipleship.

Fourthly, why would any Spirit filled Trinitarian listen to people who show absolutely no respect for the experience with God that they do have currently? Why would they let arrogant, Pharisaical elitists build on the foundation they already have? I can tell you from experience, Trinitarians are open to more truth from those who respect them as brothers and acknowledge that they (the Trinitarian) might also have insights of truth that they (the Oneness believer) can glean from. And I'll give you a hint....people who post on discussion boards threads entitled "All Trinitarians are Lost" will never get an open door of dialog with these people. Why would they possibly think someone like that has anything they need?

See.........

B4 Nicaea · #**504** 12-25-2012, 11:52 AM

Question: If it's just semantics & the "trinitarians" also believe there is one God, just different wording, then why won't they get baptize in the name of Jesus?

Old Paths · #**505** 12-25-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Question: If it's just semantics & the "trinitarians" also believe there is one God, just different wording, then why won't they get baptize in the name of Jesus?

Ta daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........

tv1a · #**506** 12-25-2012, 12:47 PM

Many of then do.

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Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Question: If it's just semantics & the "trinitarians" also believe there is one God, just different wording, then why won't they get baptize in the name of Jesus?

hometown guy · #**507** 12-25-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by B4 Nicaea

Question: If it's just semantics & the "trinitarians" also believe there is one God, just different wording, then why won't they get baptize in the name of Jesus?

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Many of then do.

Most of them don't.

Old Paths · #**508** 12-25-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

Most of them don't.

About NONE that I have met.....

hometown guy · #**509** 12-25-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Paths

About NONE that I have met.....

Same here I was just trying to be nice

seekerman · #**510** 12-25-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Nothing but the blood of Jesus could have redeemed and justified us, but nothing but the regenerating power of the indwelling Holy Spirit can SAVE us.

ROMANS 5:10.....For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his LIFE.

TITUS 3:5-8........5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

6 whom he poured out (at Pentecost) on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

8 This is a trustworthy saying.

(Notice here in Titus 3 how Paul says that those who received the out-poured Holy Ghost are considered "justified by his grace". God doesn't let ignorant preachers saying the wrong words at baptism get in the way of saving a soul.)

EPHESIANS 1:7,13-14.....

7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace

13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.

EPHESIANS 1:14 in the KJV.....Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Great verses and I appreciate them but as happens every time, the blood is quickly pushed aside and the focus is once more on something other than the blood. Is it possible, and I really don't think it is, to actually discuss the blood of the Lamb of God with oneness pentecostals and the implications of that blood? Is is possible, and I don't think it is, to discuss when and how the blood of the Lamb of God is imputed/applied to an individual and do it without bringing the holy trinity of oneness pentecostalism (tongues, Godhead, standards) into the discussion. Can it be that only the blood of the Lamb of God is the focus of a discussion?

You said "Nothing but the blood of Jesus could have redeemed and justified us, but nothing but the regenerating power of the indwelling Holy Spirit can SAVE us. I'm reading that you are suggesting that redemption is by the blood of the Lamb alone with nothing else needed. Is that a correct assumption, I can't really tell from your post for you didn't really focus on the blood?

Honestly, I'm finding little in your post to change my view that the oneness pentecostal version of the song is "Nothing About The Blood Of Jesus".