UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Well yeah, but... If the "sin" was cutting one's feminine tresses and wearing skirts that rode up above the knee, BUT the "sin" being denounced from the pulpit was having carnal knowledge with the county's livestock then I'd understand a bit of uppitiness coming from the erring sister.

We know that the quotes about "child molestation and bestiality" were both recorded and presented as evidence in a court of law. We know that the defendant made no claims in court denying that he had said those things. We know that the defendant's only defense was a First Amendment defense of "free speech" while in the pulpit of his church.

He listed nine forms of fornication and said that she had committed one of them. And he does have free speech in his pulpit. I'm glad he did say that. If he's mean and overbearing, we can always find another church.

The woman still was in a compromising situation. I'm not going to look past that. Sorry.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you commit fornication everytime you see someone in a bikini? whether it is on a magazine cover or walking down the street or at a relatives house for a bbque?

Using Christ's definition ... all he has to do is think it.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The question still remains - WHY was she wearing a bikini? Why did she think it was decent or right? Why was it wrong to address her character because of that?

What do we know about the husband? Is he a good man, or does he wear Speedos in mixed company? LOL!

PO, she WAS NOT IN CHURCH.

Again, which is worse, a person in the world to wear a bikini, or a person-much less a pastor-to bear false witness against his neighbor? What she was wearing was socially acceptable by the rules and expectations of the culture and society she lived in. What he did, in breaking one of the Ten Commandments, was absolutely NOT acceptable by the Bible he, as a pastor, is supposed to preach.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you commit fornication everytime you see someone in a bikini? whether it is on a magazine cover or walking down the street or at a relatives house for a bbque?

Oh sweet niblets, people!

Are you honestly saying you see nothing wrong with this chick strutting her stuff with a guy she's not married to? Nothing at all? Really? Honestly? truly? Verily?

You don't even think it was sinful, unwise, deceitful, and lascivious?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Daniel,

It would be grounds for divorce if...

1. She was on a pool date with a male friend other than her husband while clothed in nothing but an itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny-yellow-polka-dot-bikini.

2. She went there on the sly.

Gee, what else would her husband be left to think?

She's flippantly flaunting a bit more than her liberty, don'tcha think?

That's how I see it.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

PO, she WAS NOT IN CHURCH.

Again, which is worse, a person in the world to wear a bikini, or a person-much less a pastor-to bear false witness against his neighbor? What she was wearing was socially acceptable by the rules and expectations of the culture and society she lived in. What he did, in breaking one of the Ten Commandments, was absolutely NOT acceptable by the Bible he, as a pastor, is supposed to preach.

Not in "church" as in not in a UPCI church ...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Daniel,

It would be grounds for divorce if...

1. She was on a pool date with a male friend other than her husband while clothed in nothing but an itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny-yellow-polka-dot-bikini.

2. She went there on the sly.

Gee, what else would her husband be left to think?

She's flippantly flaunting a bit more than her liberty, don'tcha think?

How about this scenario, she went to a girl
friend's house to swim and her friend's brother showed up.
while she was in the pool in her bikini. Fornication?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by missourimary

PO, she WAS NOT IN CHURCH.

Again, which is worse, a person in the world to wear a bikini, or a person-much less a pastor-to bear false witness against his neighbor? What she was wearing was socially acceptable by the rules and expectations of the culture and society she lived in. What he did, in breaking one of the Ten Commandments, was absolutely NOT acceptable by the Bible he, as a pastor, is supposed to preach.

Was she in church when she wore the bikini? I thought she had recently left church. Did I miss that too?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Oh sweet niblets, people!

Are you honestly saying you see nothing wrong with this chick strutting her stuff with a guy she's not married to? Nothing at all? Really? Honestly? truly? Verily?

You don't even think it was sinful, unwise, deceitful, and lascivious?

All divorceable offenses in Charnock's personal theology ....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

How about this scenario, she went to a girl
friend's house to swim and her friend's brother showed up.
while she was in the pool in her bikini. Fornication?

Was that the actual scenario?