even if the woman didn't commit adultery, she still sinned elsewhere. That is the point. Jesus didn't say "don't commit adultery anymore" he said "go and sin no more", something that no one is capable of doing (except Jesus)...
He was certainly in reference to the sin that she was about to be stoned for. The Bible certainly teaches that we can live a life above sin. If sin was impossible to overcome then wherein would we be held accountable?
Just because we might come short from time to time doesn't mean that it is out of reach or we wouldn't be able to do it at all. We aren't perfect without him, but with him we can defeat sin and rise above toward perfection.
This is largely beside the point, and you still have failed to give any other example of all kinds of things that Jesus taught us being abtainable, yet impossible.
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Again, you guys are missing the point, though...
You see and focus on some would be similarities and couple Christ with the likes of Marx who was a historic loser.
Yet you refuse to grasp the many points that contrast the two individuals and various applications of principle, including those that differ greatly, that define and thus seperate the two, and Christ's teachings from any association with sociocommunism at its best.
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Jesus said many things that are socialist ideals... giving to the poor, taking care of the poor... taking care of those who can't take care of themselves... All things that are a part of socialism... Jesus was much closer to Marx as far as social action than he was to anyone that lived in his day and age...
These ideals are not socialistic, they are Christian. This wouldn't be the first time someone tried to steal Christian principle, tweak them, and use it for non Christian ends.
You simply have it backwards, Jesus wasn't much closer to Marx, Marx and many tried to steal parts of good concepts for their own evil means.
It's an uneven and unbalanced mistake to compare without the weights of contrast.
Here's were Christianity and Communism go their separate ways........Communism as practiced by fallible human beings demands and would force adherence, Christianity bids and even compels all come and follow Christ, but does not force adherence.
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Here's were Christianity and Communism go their separate ways........Communism as practiced by fallible human beings demands and would force adherence, Christianity bids and even compels all come and follow Christ, but does not force adherence.
this is one of the very big differences. even when applied in theory Communism starts with "if everyone will" by the nature of mankind, this is doomed to failure because man is falible..
but beyond that though, is the evil that seeks to replace God with mankind.
Where Communism says something about feeding the poor, this isnt comunism, it is christianity that has been usurped for the purpose of raising a false anti-christ system to supplant Christianity.
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Name one. lets go thru this. it just might be fun.
1. take care of the sick/widowed/orphans
2. take care of the poor/give to the poor
3. do unto others as you would have them do unto you
4. don't worry about wealth
IF people will hold all things in common, and all work for the greater good of the group, then all will share in equal wealth/health and happiness.
Now, THIS is as anti-christ an attitude as one can have for the source of ALL is HUMANITY.
Thus it is certainly of the devil!
Jesus is the source of everything! Communism on its best day is a deadly evil counterfit.
really?
Please show me one scripture verse where it says everyone sharing equally in everything earned so that no one was poor and everyone had what they needed (and more) is "of the devil"...
You're correct about Paul and James - and so many others in the NT church as well. Sometimes today people look at the disagreements within the church and get discouraged. They then seem to pine for the "days of pristine Apostolic unity..." Reading the Bible closely reveals that those days probably never happened. At one point two of the most outstanding preachers (Paul and Barnabas) had such a grudge between them that they couldn't even be on the platform at General Conference at the same time.
I think Sister A.'s main concerns about Communism may be from her own experience in the 3rd World where Revolutionary Communism and similar movements have really taken a toll on the people. *Notice I have capitalized "Communism" here. This is the materialism based philosophy of Marx and Lenin.
I think you are describing the older "communism" (I'll use the lower case here) for the distribution of wealth and resources within a local community. What you are describing is a system that has in fact been popular among many Christian groups throughout history. What Sister A. describes is a late Victorian/20th Century revolutionary program that led to the enslavement and slaughter of 10's of millions of people.
Two different "communisms" really.
Yeah, I'm trying to get the point about 2 different communisms about, too...
Basically my point is that her post was against the IDEAL of communism (your lowercase one), but all of her reasoning against it was against the specific modern governments of Communism (your uppercase)...
The mistake is that, if anything, Jesus would support communism (lowercase) and be against Communism (uppercase)... but the reason He would be against Communism (uppercase) is becaue they aren't what they claim to be... instead of being egalitarian (good), they are totalitarian (bad)
He was certainly in reference to the sin that she was about to be stoned for. The Bible certainly teaches that we can live a life above sin. If sin was impossible to overcome then wherein would we be held accountable?
Just because we might come short from time to time doesn't mean that it is out of reach or we wouldn't be able to do it at all. We aren't perfect without him, but with him we can defeat sin and rise above toward perfection.
This is largely beside the point, and you still have failed to give any other example of all kinds of things that Jesus taught us being abtainable, yet impossible.
"rise above toward perfection"??? It sounds like you know that you can't ever truely attain "From this day forward perfection"... you just aren't willing to admit it... Otherwise why would you say "rise above towards perfection" instead of "attain perfection"???
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You see and focus on some would be similarities and couple Christ with the likes of Marx who was a historic loser.
Yet you refuse to grasp the many points that contrast the two individuals and various applications of principle, including those that differ greatly, that define and thus seperate the two, and Christ's teachings from any association with sociocommunism at its best.
But you are associating (and mis-interpreting) Marx's anti-religion statements ("religion is the opium of the masses") and modern Communist (uppercase) stances against religion (See: Russia and China) with socialism and "pure communism" as ideals... and you can't do that...
Russia and China are not communist states, they are Communist states... there is a massive difference between the two... One is moving evercloser to egalitarian "utopia", the other is just another name for a totalitarian dictatorship...
Many of Jesus' thoughts on topics are in line with socialism theory...
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These ideals are not socialistic, they are Christian. This wouldn't be the first time someone tried to steal Christian principle, tweak them, and use it for non Christian ends.
You simply have it backwards, Jesus wasn't much closer to Marx, Marx and many tried to steal parts of good concepts for their own evil means.
It's an uneven and unbalanced mistake to compare without the weights of contrast.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason people say that Jesus is a communist is because those ideas are ideals of both Christianity AND socialism????
How is this this hard for you to understand??? Are you that blinded by propoganda?
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