You'd Be Proud

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Agreed. I was not meaning to suggest that God's Word was in error. I was explaining that we focus on the working of God when we should be focus on the work we are to do (faith, repentance=lifestyle change, baptism). The Holy Ghost is God's part of the equation. Of course people should desire the gift of the Holy Ghost, but sometimes we must remember it is a promise to us. If our faith is right we will continue in baptism and repentance. God will do his part if we have truly done ours.

you should write a book, GS

[good samaritan]

Thanks for the kindness.

[shazeep]

hmm well, lest you get the wrong impression of me, i'll say that i would appreciate a reply to the 12 pack pastor, if you are led, or even @ the fang lady.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Read it again - it says if you don't believe, you will be damned.

When Jesus compared being Born Again to the natural birth, you either believe life starts at conception or you don't. If you don't believe that in the natural, then we are all in trouble with the abortion thing. If you do believe that, then life also happens spiritually at conception.
Now that baby will go ahead and follow through the water and then the breath of life, but he's already ALIVE in Christ.

He was once DEAD in his sins, but he is made ALIVE when he repents and turns toward the Lord. At that time, he leaves Satan's Kingdom.

I would have to agree with Bro. Blume. It makes sense according to the scriptures. Your explanation, by way of analogy, seems to try to make sense of it with human logic, but not according to the scriptures. Not being disrespectful, but it is how I view it as well.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. Actually conception is involved in baptism. We are PLANTED into His death when we are baptized into His death. Rom 6:3-5. A seed and egg conceives in the PLANTING, so to speak, and as you quoted Jesus, it accompanies faith or nothing happens.

Originally Posted by mfblume

If you don't believe you certainly won't get baptized. It has to be read altogether.

We need to read a LOT of scriptures altogether. If I took many scriptures alone and apart, I could be saved, if I wanted to view it that way at/by:

1) Belief - Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9
2) Repentance - Luke 13:3
3) Baptism - Mark 16:16
4) Grace - Ephesians 2:5
5) Calling on the name of Jesus - Romans 10:13
6) Hope - Romans 8:24
7) His blood - Romans 5:9

[good samaritan]

I'll come up with something a lil later. my lunch break is about over and I'll have to give it a little thought.

[Sister Alvear]

Just glad for every soul that comes to know God....

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just glad for every soul that comes to know God....

Yes, amen!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We need to read a LOT of scriptures altogether. If I took many scriptures alone and apart, I could be saved, if I wanted to view it that way at/by:

1) Belief - Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9
2) Repentance - Luke 13:3
3) Baptism - Mark 16:16
4) Grace - Ephesians 2:5
5) Calling on the name of Jesus - Romans 10:13
6) Hope - Romans 8:24
7) His blood - Romans 5:9

I notice you didn't include a scripture there that speaking in tongues = salvation....

Love you PO! Just had to insert that

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I notice you didn't include a scripture there that speaking in tongues = salvation....

Love you PO! Just had to insert that

LOL!

The scriptures don't have to say you must speak in tongues to be saved. All of these scriptures speak about receiving it, dwelling in us, leading and guiding us into all truth, and taking us to glory.

The Apostles identified how they knew someone had received the Holy Ghost Acts 10:46 . It's not complicated, and I don't know how many times that needs to be written in the Bible to get it. Further, those that believed and obeyed the Gospel received the Holy Ghost, so there was no question the Holy Ghost is part of the process of salvation. We can't stay saved unless we have some internal mechanism to help us out - that being the Spirit of God.

I've always thought it was funny that every person on this forum and the two before argued against speaking in tongues - YET - they all have and do speak in tongues. Doesn't that seem funny to you or at least interesting to notice?

There are so many scriptures regarding the Spirit of God, that I can't see how anyone thinks the NT church can operate or be saved without it.


John 14:17 - [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:9 - But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:2 - For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Romans 8:11 - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I'll come up with something a lil later. my lunch break is about over and I'll have to give it a little thought.

Your new book? COOL! I am ready to place my order.