Revising Pentecostal history: 1908-1912

[Servant's <3]

I would like to read that book eventually as well.

If we are speaking against the concept of drinking caffeine... I am "Guilty" of that as well... if we are talking coffee specifically... not so much...

coffee... blech

[Scott Pitta]

[Godsdrummer]

Just to set the record straight, if I am wrong I hope that I am man enough to admit to it.
I have implied that it was the Jesus name movement that rejected the trinity people in the beginning. And it seems that I am wrong, the Jesus name oneness movement it seems did everything it could to continue to work things out with the trinity people without letting down their understanding of Jesus name baptism and the oneness of the Godhead. Although it seems that that has flipped, at least in my opinion.
One thing I have found in the last 10 years of study is that nothing is ever completely black and white. As one person stated history is written by the victors, I have learned that one should never base their entire thinking on just one source of reasoning.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

history is written by the victors, that is the Catholic church.

I think this is a cop out. There's plenty of info on groups that weren't the "victors", but still not a SINGLE group/sect/teacher who taught the 3 step doctrine, to say nothing of 3 steps and standards. Blame it on the Catholic church?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why do people respond to what they THINK someone is "trying to do" instead of what they actually say?

Anyways, reading these old pentecostal writings makes me realize that probably 75 - 85 percent of what is called pentecostal today would be rejected and denounced as delusion or apostasy by those old timers. A LOT of how we do things, doctrines, practices, etc are quite a devolution, or degeneration, of "old time Pentecost" (whether Oneness or trinitarian).

So if everyone who hasn't been baptized in Jesus name and spoken in tongues is lost (thus eliminating 99% of Christianity) AND 75-85% of "apostolic Christianity" is apostate. Well pretty much NO ONE is going to heaven.....

Well except you Esaias. Congratulations.


(Oh and Steve Epley)

The rest of us are just sitting around storing up divine wrath for ourselves under the guise of praying, studying the scriptures, going to church, and living a holy life (though no doubt not up to the holier than thou standards).

[Aquila]

Idolatry takes many forms.

Allow God to be God.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So if everyone who hasn't been baptized in Jesus name and spoken in tongues is lost (thus eliminating 99% of Christianity) AND 75-85% of "apostolic Christianity" is apostate. Well pretty much NO ONE is going to heaven.....
Well except you Esaias. Congratulations.


(Oh and Steve Epley)

The rest of us are just sitting around storing up divine wrath for ourselves under the guise of praying, studying the scriptures, going to church, and living a holy life (though no doubt not up to the holier than thou standards).

Well so much for a simple discussion. Now the open minded liberal types have, once again, descended to personal attacks and insults and insinuations, judgmentalism, and all the rest.

Whatever dude. Feel comfy in knowing you've got it all together and oh, don't forget to thank the Lord you are not like other people (or even like that Esaias character).

[GISG]

I suppose of Peter hadn't have got all "legalistic" on the day of Pentecost baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost wouldn't be a topic at all.
That pesky Peter... what did he know.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So if everyone who hasn't been baptized in Jesus name and spoken in tongues is lost (thus eliminating 99% of Christianity) AND 75-85% of "apostolic Christianity" is apostate. Well pretty much NO ONE is going to heaven.....

Well except you Esaias. Congratulations.


(Oh and Steve Epley)

The rest of us are just sitting around storing up divine wrath for ourselves under the guise of praying, studying the scriptures, going to church, and living a holy life (though no doubt not up to the holier than thou standards).

The rest of US? I thought you WERE baptized in Jesus name and had received the Holy Spirit? Also it seems to me that considering the magnitude of the error taught among Trinitarians Oneness is fairly reserved in its "judgmentalism".

Many Oneness are content to blast the "system" of Trinitarianism while leaving the final judgment to God.

Many Trins I am around will not listen to ANYTHING I say about ANYTHING just on the basis that I believe in Oneness. They count you as heretical and nothing but a deceived false teacher.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Many Trins I am around will not listen to ANYTHING I say about ANYTHING just on the basis that I believe in Oneness. They count you as heretical and nothing but a deceived false teacher.

That's been my experience as well. Guess I'll enter eternity a "heretic" in their eyes, but in the Eyes of my Savior....not so much.
Nona Freeman wrote in one of her books that her husband was called to a meeting of missionaries in Africa. It was to tell him he was being removed from their fellowship or something of that sort. He returned home to tell Sister Freeman that was the first time he had been kicked out of something he didn't belong to in the first place! Why? He dared to believe in the Name of Jesus and He was God alone.