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04-01-2015, 09:32 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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What's the difference?
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Easy question. ALJC has four letters in it's abbreviation while the UPC has three. Unless of course you use the full abbreviation for United Pentecostal Church International, UPCI, in which case both have four letters. 
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04-01-2015, 09:39 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
Still don't see why they don't merge. I mean, there has to be something that makes it impossible or I bet they would've by now.
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04-02-2015, 07:06 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
I agree they should merge.
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04-02-2015, 07:11 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
It would just make one, strong, Apostolic organization. The only thing that could keep them from doing it is pride.
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04-02-2015, 10:02 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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It would just make one, strong, Apostolic organization. The only thing that could keep them from doing it is pride.
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That seems rather harsh and non-understanding.
It is not just as simple as it may seem, to you, to merge organizations.
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04-02-2015, 10:34 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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That seems rather harsh and non-understanding.
It is not just as simple as it may seem, to you, to merge organizations.
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Sorry that it might seem that way. I understand that it isn't simple, but I know that it's very possible. I say that it might be a pride issue because I know how leadership works and I know that, as sad as it might be, people seldom want to give up positions of authority, even if it benefits almost everyone else.
The problem, at least what I think it might be, is that the heads of the organizations are content because they are the heads of the organizations.
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04-02-2015, 11:13 AM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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Originally Posted by amh
Sorry that it might seem that way. I understand that it isn't simple, but I know that it's very possible. I say that it might be a pride issue because I know how leadership works and I know that, as sad as it might be, people seldom want to give up positions of authority, even if it benefits almost everyone else.
The problem, at least what I think it might be, is that the heads of the organizations are content because they are the heads of the organizations.
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If you were an ALJC pastor, what would be the benefit to merging with another org?
How would a merger accomplish anything? What EXACTLY would be the point? How would it benefit both groups?
Make the case, please.
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04-02-2015, 12:07 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
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If you were an ALJC pastor, what would be the benefit to merging with another org?
How would a merger accomplish anything? What EXACTLY would be the point? How would it benefit both groups?
Make the case, please.
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1. I'm not sure anything would change but the organization you're licensed with.
2-4. It would prove that we're not allegiant to any specific org. The UPCLJC (I like it!) would show that we care less about organizational ties and more about unification in purpose and doctrine. That would benefit everyone.
I mean, I don't really know if that's a good enough reason. I'm fifteen. I should just shut up.
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04-02-2015, 12:10 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
What do you think Michael?
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04-02-2015, 12:13 PM
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Re: ALJC vs UPCI
You are an idealist in a world that is far from it as possible. It would be expensive to merge. That is probably the biggest reason.
Is it right that money should be a reason... no...
However, there would have to be long lasting and mutual benefits to all individuals in both groups for them to consider it.
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