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View Poll Results: What are your freelings the son's pre-existence?
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I think the son existed only in the plan of God before the incarnation.
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I don't thing the son existed at all before the incarnation.
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I think that the son existed in some manner with the Father before the incarnation.
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None of these explain my feelings. I will comment below.
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11-09-2011, 07:31 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by mrnbcox
The son was the father in flesh. Son was what defined the flesh worn by God as He manifested himself to us
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Agreed.
So what existence was there of the son prior to the flesh?
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11-09-2011, 07:33 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I believe the Son only existed in the mind and plan of God before incarnation.
This day have I begotten thee.......................happened twice at His birth and His resurrection NOT in eternity past.
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Thanks Brother Epley.
This is what I have always been taught and do still believe although, as I had mentioned, there are a few "head scratcher" verses out there that I find hard to reconcile with my beliefs sometimes.
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11-09-2011, 07:39 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy
Passages such as Philippians 2 indicate that the Father and Son existed before the incarnation.
As the verse says, the Son "emptying himself" refers to his laying aside his heavenly glory and coming to earth as a man.
And there are other Scriptures, like the one you mentioned earlier in the thread.
I don't see how someone can come to any other conclusion but that both the Father and Son existed as separate "persons" before the Incarnation. I realize that the English word "persons" has some negative connotations, but it's the most precise word we can come up with. |
Yep... that's one of those head scratchers I keep mentioning. I have a concept of the Father and the son... but there are a few scriptures that I have trouble honestly reconciliing with that concept.
But... I don't bail on a doctrinal stance because of head scratchers. I have to study until I find an overall reconciliation that works all the way around (because it is there... somewhere) and then the Bible wins and all other thought processes lose.
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11-09-2011, 07:54 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
I understand The Son existed in God's mind,but I don't see God manifesting Himself in flesh before the incarnation.
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I don't think anyone is claiming that Christ had a physical body before the incarnation.
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11-09-2011, 08:38 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Orthodoxy
I don't think anyone is claiming that Christ had a physical body before the incarnation.
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Ah, but did he have a form of a body, or was he without form?
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11-09-2011, 09:10 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
It would seem that He had a form.
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11-09-2011, 09:10 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by berkeley
Ah, but did he have a form of a body, or was he without form?
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He appeared in a theophany.
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11-09-2011, 09:11 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
It would seem that He had a form.
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Per my current understanding the only "form" the son had before the incarnation was in the foreknowledge of God.
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11-09-2011, 09:11 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
Elder Epley could you give us your definition of a theophany ?
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11-09-2011, 09:14 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
Well seeing that Christ was God manifest in flesh,certainly God had a form prior to the incarnation.If man was created in His image and likeness,that was a form man was patterned from it seems.
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