TSA dog and pony show security screening

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

National Security cannot work that way.

Let's say you have an informant in al Shabab. The agent discovers that they are planning on having females board planes to destroy them using explosives that are implanted in her breasts. So now screeners are briefed to physically check the breasts of any woman refusing electronic scanning.

Now... if they notify the general public, al Shabab is going to know that their information was leaked. Now they are going to go on the rampage looking for the informant. Should they find him... he will die.

Why? To make some sassy American woman who doesn't understand what kind of sacrifices are a part of being at war.

Great Cindy, now our informant is dead. How do we keep tabs on al-Shabab? How will they now retaliate? They will most likely liquidate and vanish. Why? Because people have forgotten that we are at war.

Everyone is starting to act like Liberals. lol

Let's imagine we are at war and we put our strategies on the news and all the secret information we have. We'd never win the war.

I am not saying they have to go into detail. Just that there are valid threats to security. And that is the reason we have these policies in place.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

National Security cannot work that way.

Let's say you have an informant in al Shabab. The agent discovers that they are planning on having females board planes to destroy them using explosives that are implanted in her breasts. So now screeners are briefed to physically check the breasts of any woman refusing electronic scanning.

Now... if they notify the general public, al Shabab is going to know that their information was leaked. Now they are going to go on the rampage looking for the informant. Should they find him... he will die.

Why? To make some sassy American woman who doesn't understand what kind of sacrifices are a part of being at war.

Great Cindy, now our informant is dead. How do we keep tabs on al-Shabab? How will they now retaliate? They will most likely liquidate and vanish. Why? Because people have forgotten that we are at war.

Everyone is starting to act like Liberals. lol

Tell that to the NY Times and that other outfit (name escapes) that just posted all that info...really, none of the scenarios of years past hold the same amount of water.

This isn't the same kind of war America use to fight. The government use to let the military win...now they have to abide by so many rules that if it was the same during WWII, we'd still be trying to stave off Germany...or have lost.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by sandie

Tell that to the NY Times and that other outfit (name escapes) that just posted all that info...really, none of the scenarios of years past hold the same amount of water.

This isn't the same kind of war America use to fight. The government use to let the military win...now they have to abide by so many rules that if it was the same during WWII, we'd still be trying to stave off Germany...or have lost.

Very good point. I can agree with that.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by sandie

From what I understand this is all due to the so called, Christmas bomber from last year. Yet, the decision to to enhanced searches just came about a few weeks ago.
That doesn't make sense.

The intelligence community acted unintelligently and let him board.

According to the report, the committee found "systemic failures across the Intelligence Community which contributed to the failure to identify the threat posed by Abdulmutallab." Specifically, according to the report, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) was not well-enough organized to "fulfill its mission" and the U.S. intelligence community does not have access to the technology needed for analysts to intelligence data.

He was on a terrorist watch list.

The report also cites 14 specific failures - what the committee terms "a series of human errors, technical problems systemic obstacles, analytical misjudgments, and competing priorities" - that allowed Abdulmutallab to board a plane to the United States.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I am not saying they have to go into detail. Just that there are valid threats to security. And that is the reason we have these policies in place.

But airports consistantly report that they are at threat level orange. Signs indicate anyone passing through check point is subject to additional screening. There are all kinds of notifications.

It all boils down to Americans needing to know what threat levels mean... and know how to read the signs at security check points.

But Americans are increasingly lazy. They want the Government to make everything news at eleven and possibly send a holiday post card explaining what to expect.

It's an individual's personal responsibility to be informed. Imagine telling a police officer, "Well, why didn't they notify me that a red light meant stop?" lol

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Priceless!!!

Are you not "on the clock" yourself?

And, questioning his job? You seem to do that a lot and yet, claim to be most everything yourself!

Sorry about that. Some of us own companies and still think government workers work for the taxpayers. Under the socialist theme, the people work for the government.



It is about who is working for whom.

I havn't punched a time clock since college jobs.

Government employee handbooks have explicit rules on abuse of computers for personal use.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

But airports consistantly report that they are at threat level orange. Signs indicate anyone passing through check point is subject to additional screening. There are all kinds of notifications.

It all boils down to Americans needing to know what threat levels mean... and know how to read the signs at security check points.

But Americans are increasingly lazy. They want the Government to make everything news at eleven and possibly send a holiday post card explaining what to expect.

It's an individual's personal responsibility to be informed. Imagine telling a police officer, "Well, why didn't they notify me that a red light meant stop?" lol

Wait a minute....if this is stemming from last year's underwear guy, somebody was lazy all right, but it's not the American people.
Nearly a year later and they're just now getting around to enhanced screenings?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by sandie

Wait a minute....if this is stemming from last year's underwear guy, somebody was lazy all right, but it's not the American people.
Nearly a year later and they're just now getting around to enhanced screenings?

I'm astounded. None of you understand what I've explained to you.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by coadie

The intelligence community acted unintelligently and let him board.

He was on a terrorist watch list.

This is why so many people just aren't buying all these new TSA rules.

It just looks like the constitution isn't worth the paper it's printed on anymore, imo.

They need to get better at what they're doing but quick if they ever expect the American people to go along.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm astounded. None of you understand what I've explained to you.

Well, don't be too astounded. Giving up our liberties just isn't all that easy for many, many Americans.