Has Hell Disappeared?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

EDITED: I've been asking myself that question: What the.... errr.. what does this have to do with hell? LOL

Edited

Me too, I just didn't post it quite that way.....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But why should WE fear? Because we know they will be lost and destroyed in the lake of fire.

Our "FEAR" in Jude 1:23 is CONTRASTED with the lack of "FEAR" described in Jude 1:12.

Jude first warns us about those who lack the proper "fear of God" (reverence). He later informs us that by us showing the proper reverence, our examples could be used to lead "some" of the irreverent back to salvation.


oh, and Obama is a socialist. That too. FWIW.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, the serpent said, "Don't believe the message."

And, since the accounts of creation in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 conflict when interpreted "litterally" (SIC), which one is "litteral" (SIC) and which one is not?

SIC or sick? Or both.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by DAII

Michael, here in Matthew 19 ... Christ uses Gehenna ... which is commonly viewed as the abode of the condemned?

Easton’s Bible Dictionary states:



Is this the everlasting fire which hell/Hades is cast into ... if so the "fire "seems unquenchable ... while the soul and body, as well as Hades/Hell are destroyed, in the "receptacle" heap.

Some say Gehenna is the the place in Hades that the rich man in the the parable of Lazarus and the rich .. was in.

What gives?

Yes Hell is misunderstood. Gehnna is synonomous with the Lake Of Fire. The souls who enter it will be tormented many of them for a long time. Yet they will not be granted immortality to live there.

Why?

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

The soul that sinneth shall die. Ezekiel
18:4

Gehenna is the place where sinners will be destroyed, not gain eternal life.

The traditional view seems wrong because it is wrong.

Hell should be taught according to knowledge. Yeshua will make sure it is before his coming.

[seekerman]

I have another question. Why did hell suddenly APPEAR, God's torture chamber, after 4000 years of silence about such a place? The only hell seen in the bible for quite a while was sheol, the grave, not some torture chamber God prepared for those who are displeasing to Him and on whom He will take out His wrath for their lacking to properly acknowledge Him.

If God's torture chamber actually exists where individuals are going to be horribly tormented due to their failures, shouldn't that place have been at the forefront of the pre-NT 4000 years of God interacting with mankind and not some relatively recent NT phenomenon?

[Cindy]

This is one of the subjects that makes me wonder how the Bible was put together. How did God inspire or tell men what to write? And why did it stop when it did? Is there more or less than we know?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I have another question. Why did hell suddenly APPEAR, God's torture chamber, after 4000 years of silence about such a place? The only hell seen in the bible for quite a while was sheol, the grave, not some torture chamber God prepared for those who are displeasing to Him and on whom He will take out His wrath for their lacking to properly acknowledge Him.

If God's torture chamber actually exists where individuals are going to be horribly tormented due to their failures, shouldn't that place have been at the forefront of the pre-NT 4000 years of God interacting with mankind and not some relatively recent NT phenomenon?

Some would argue that this was a part of "God's Progressive Revelation." They would say that "eternal punishment" was hinted at in Genesis 3:15, along with a hint of the coming Messiah - though neither doctrine was fully developed until much later.

Others point to the Babylonian Exile and the exposure of the Jewish people to Persian Zoroastrianism, a religion with an already fully developed concept of a "Lake of Fire" and such.

Me? I go with coadie. "Hell" is the Obama administration.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

I've been asking myself that question: What the hell.... errr.. what does this have to do with hell?

You probably don't get it. The "culture" makes up all kinds of notions of heaven and hell. The liberals praise the use of profanity. People joke about isues to be taken with seriousness.

New Testament 'sado-masochistic doctrine'

Richard Dawkins
Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed "Darwin's Rottweiler," calls religion a "virus" and faith-based education "child abuse" in a two-part series he wrote and appears in that begins airing on the UK's Channel 4, beginning tomorrow evening.


Dawkins, using his visit to Colorado Springs' New Life Church, criticizes conservative U.S. evangelicals and warns his audience of the influence of "Christian fascism" and "an American Taliban."

The backdrop of the al-Aqsa mosque and an American-born Jew turned fundamentalist Muslim who tells Dawkins to prepare for the Islamic world empire – and who clashes with him after saying he hates atheists – rounds out the first program's case for the delusions of the faithful.


In part two, "The Virus of Faith," Dawkins attacks the teaching of religion to children, calling it child abuse.

"Innocent children are being saddled with demonstrable falsehoods," he says. "It's time to question the abuse of childhood innocence with superstitious ideas of hellfire and damnation. Isn't it weird the way we automatically label a tiny child with its parents' religion?"

"Sectarian religious schools," Dawkins asserts, have been "deeply damaging" to generations of children.

Dawkins, who makes no effort to disguise his atheism and contempt for religion, focuses on the Bible, too

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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48252


In seeker sensitive movements, we don't want to tell people anything that is sensitive?

Public Prayer and praise of THE Lord Jesus Christ are trouble. Profanity is not.
Preeching on hell is a sticky topic.
I don't suggest annointed pastors change their sermons to tickle the ears of the lost.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes Hell is misunderstood. Gehnna is synonomous with the Lake Of Fire. The souls who enter it will be tormented many of them for a long time. Yet they will not be granted immortality to live there.

Why?

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

The soul that sinneth shall die. Ezekiel
18:4

Gehenna is the place where sinners will be destroyed, not gain eternal life.

The traditional view seems wrong because it is wrong.

Hell should be taught according to knowledge. Yeshua will make sure it is before his coming.

I think we've spoken to this before but it appears several pioneer OPs believed and taught annihilation only to be phased out by the org's fairly recent requirement that rejects new ministers who teach it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I have another question. Why did hell suddenly APPEAR, God's torture chamber, after 4000 years of silence about such a place? The only hell seen in the bible for quite a while was sheol, the grave, not some torture chamber God prepared for those who are displeasing to Him and on whom He will take out His wrath for their lacking to properly acknowledge Him.

If God's torture chamber actually exists where individuals are going to be horribly tormented due to their failures, shouldn't that place have been at the forefront of the pre-NT 4000 years of God interacting with mankind and not some relatively recent NT phenomenon?

Yeshuas doctrine of Gehenna is taken from 2 places.

[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Isaiah 66:22-24

Compare to Mark 9:42-47

[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 4:1-3

Compare to Matt. 3:10-12

That would serve as an introduction to the topic of the destruction of the wicked.