Acts 2: Then and Now - Page 5

KWSS1976 · #41 06-30-2010, 01:43 PM

Something else that happens in Pentecostal Churches is people gather around to pray for someone to get the holyghost with the supposed evidence and it does not happen...Likewise in the bible when hands were laid on those in Acts they got the holyghost no if,ands or buts....O and I forgot when this happened in the bible the people did not have a Measure of the holyghost as I have heard said...I am not just picking on the pentecostals other churches do there things taht are not biblical also,,it's just the pentecostals take it a little futher then others..but hey what ever floats your boat..but don't tell me you had and Acts 2 experience and then the onlookers in the church don't know what you just said...

JoeHardy07 · #42 06-30-2010, 02:21 PM

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Something else that happens in Pentecostal Churches is people gather around to pray for someone to get the holyghost with the supposed evidence and it does not happen...Likewise in the bible when hands were laid on those in Acts they got the holyghost no if,ands or buts....O and I forgot when this happened in the bible the people did not have a Measure of the holyghost as I have heard said...I am not just picking on the pentecostals other churches do there things taht are not biblical also,,it's just the pentecostals take it a little futher then others..but hey what ever floats your boat..but don't tell me you had and Acts 2 experience and then the onlookers in the church don't know what you just said...

Yes, and it's interesting that for some it takes hours, and they have to "break thru" to the Holy Ghost. Some argue that the person's state of mind plays a key role or that they are not ready, as if the control is in the hands of mortals. It seems to me that, if a person believes in Jesus Christ as the risen Savior, the Holy Ghost is automatic.

The immediate response and spontaneity of the Holy Ghost and tongues in Acts 2 and beyond, I think, should also trigger questions. As I said before, nowadays it builds to a climax (usually) the person is prepared, or prepares himself or herself, with emotionally charged stimuli - fast music, slow music, wailing, worshiping, pacing, etc.

One question I've always had concerns Acts 8. Philip was in Samaria doing many miracles and wonders, but when it came time for the folks to recieve the Holy Ghost, Peter and John were sent to lay hands on them. Why could Philip not have just laid hands on them instead of making Peter and John come all the way to Samaria? Did he leave, or are there only certain individuals who can lay hands on others and have them receive the Holy Ghost?

KWSS1976 · #43 06-30-2010, 03:27 PM

I am going to say only certain individuals....lol and those certain individuals are dead now....thats why you see 12 people gathered around laying hands on someone and the holyghost does not fall...cause those in the bible that had the power to do so are dead now....I have yet to see a blind man or women come into a church to get his sight back by hands being laid upon him or her....The book of Acts was for a special purpose and reason..nothing more nothing less....you had some hard headed folks running around that needed signs to be convinced Jesus was real..I always like this portion of Scripture.. 1 corinthians 1:22

mfblume · #44 06-30-2010, 06:09 PM

God is still doing miracles today as much as he ever did. You just have to be in the right church. lol.

I personally prayed for someone in our church and a lump instantly disappeared on the woman's side. Another man had a large protruding hernia in his stomach area, and it instantly was healed without a problem since. These are cases I personally prayed for. Another woman had a large mass on her neck and said it was actually shrinking while we prayed. She was so thrilled. She could feel it shrink.

Anyone can believe miracles are gone if they want, but not me. In fact, I have learned I have to be as far from that inkling of a thought as can be in order to SEE miracles!

pastorrick1959 · #45 06-30-2010, 08:37 PM

thats great news bro. blume. we see many as well.

as far as the comments on how long it takes to get the holy ghost some hours or instantly i have seen both .....

the 120 stayed for anywhere,, acording to who you belive ,,from 7 to 10 days .. now hows that for seeking .. you guys are a joke kws and joe hardy .. all you want to do is down grade ,what churches do .. i tell ya what ,why dont yall go start a church ,, i am sure it will fill up quick and over flow since yall seem to know everything about how things should be done ... good luck with that!

mfblume · #46 07-02-2010, 05:35 PM

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thats great news bro. blume. we see many as well.

as far as the comments on how long it takes to get the holy ghost some hours or instantly i have seen both .....

Amen. God is still moving like Acts, and we just need to believe. The arguments of doubt people propose are destructive the very faith god requires in us to do these things. Such folks will never see miracles for they are too far sunk into unbelief.

luzsilver · #47 07-03-2010, 01:52 AM

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Amen. God is still moving like Acts, and we just need to believe. The arguments of doubt people propose are destructive the very faith god requires in us to do these things. Such folks will never see miracles for they are too far sunk into unbelief.

God is God and will never change
I read there are some here that are questioning the Holy ghost infilling , so very sad this is growing . openly mocking THE HG , WOW ITS crazy very crazy . no matter what these poeple believe to be so acts is still alive in the apostolic church , and these unbelievrs will not change that. satan tries to deny the manifestation of the HG , that would make him very happy .nope im thru with this thread

JoeHardy07 · #48 07-03-2010, 11:02 AM

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God is God and will never change
I read there are some here that are questioning the Holy ghost infilling , so very sad this is growing . openly mocking THE HG , WOW ITS crazy very crazy . no matter what these poeple believe to be so acts is still alive in the apostolic church , and these unbelievrs will not change that. satan tries to deny the manifestation of the HG , that would make him very happy .nope im thru with this thread

I am not mocking the Holy Ghost, and I do not believe anyone here is. This is not a game to me. I asked a simple question:

Why are the signs of the out-pouring today different from those of Acts? Why are all these 20th-21st century "activities" not recorded anywhere in Acts in reference to the Holy Ghost out-pourings?

It an easy question, but the only answers I have recieved are "Woe to thee for making fun of the Holy Ghost!" and "God wants us to be drunk in the Spirit and do these things. Do not question traditions!" There's only been staunch conservatives bickering with jaded liberals (no offence to those who have interjected neutrally).

No one has been able to give me a straight answer yet.

SteppingStone · #49 07-03-2010, 11:12 AM

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It all boils down to spiritual immaturity, even on the Pastors part..

1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

People really should pray in tongues at home in private for the sake of the unlearned and for the sake of the unbeliever.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

The problem is many go to church to edify themselves instead of seeking to edify others. Part of the blame is on the ministry for allowing everyone to be so co-dependent on them, the other part of the blame is on the members themselves for staying in the infant stage..

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

People should exhibit authority and control over themselves and their spirits because God is not the author of confusion..

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Or if people wanna be carnal while "Acting Spiritual" then let them be such.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

It's time to grow up and think of others that are without...

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I am not mocking the Holy Ghost, and I do not believe anyone here is. This is not a game to me. I asked a simple question:

Why are the signs of the out-pouring today different from those of Acts? Why are all these 20th-21st century "activities" not recorded anywhere in Acts in reference to the Holy Ghost out-pourings?

It an easy question, but the only answers I have recieved are "Woe to thee for making fun of the Holy Ghost!" and "God wants us to be drunk in the Spirit and do these things. Do not question traditions!" There's only been staunch conservatives bickering with jaded liberals (no offence to those who have interjected neutrally).

No one has been able to give me a straight answer yet.

That which I stated above is as straight as it's gonna get...

JoeHardy07 · #50 07-03-2010, 02:18 PM

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That which I stated above is as straight as it's gonna get...

LOL! Good points, but there is a problem:

Paul wasn't scolding the Corinthians about the things I asked about. The Corinthians didn't take Acts 2:15-16 and make up an entirely new set of "manefestations."

Charismatics did.

See, these things are not in the Bible, so how can we use the Bible to explain them? It just leads to confusion...trying to prove the truth of something that wasn't in the manuscript in the first place.

We are trying to use the Bible to regulate actions that aren't even mentioned in the Word.

The question remains unanswered.