God is not a man - Page 5

crakjak · #41 09-08-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

It began in Jerusalem and then to Samaria and has gone from town to town,
city to city. I have wondered if Jerusalem should hear the gospel today, what
would they do. Could it be possible that it would have gone full circle and
covered the uttermost parts of the earth.

Falla39

Sista,

There is a very strong movement among the Chinese Christians that is called "Back to Jerusalem", I read of this in the book called "The Heavenly Man".

These believers feel that due to the persecutions that they have endured, that they are uniquely equipped to evangelize the Middle East, in spite of the strong opposition to Christianity in the region.

Pastor · #42 09-08-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I use PERSON the same as I would use it in my case where my single person is father, son and husband. The person of the husband in my case is the same person as the father of my children. God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but one person. The big difference between our human persons and God's Person is that His person has the ability to both be Father and Son of the Father, where as that would require two human persons for us to achieve that same situation.

So Jesus Christ's PERSON was God's Person.

PS: This is where error came along. To demand that God must be at least two persons simply because human beings cannot be less than two persons in order to have a father and son of the father, is to limit God with the limitations of human beings. We are talking about DEITY's person when we talk about God, which none of us can claim about ourselves.

Very good explanation Bro. Blume. Understanding this will take much confusion out of it and cause the hearer to focus on the Word of God instead of outlandish analogies such as humanity, eggs, etc.

Falla39 · #43 09-08-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Sista,

There is a very strong movement among the Chinese Christians that is called "Back to Jerusalem", I read of this in the book called "The Heavenly Man".

These believers feel that due to the persecutions that they have endured, that they are uniquely equipped to evangelize the Middle East, in spite of the strong opposition to Christianity in the region.

Brother,
Very interesting! I had not heard that. Book would no doubt be very
interesting also. Thanks,
Hugs,
Falla39

Dedicated Mind · #44 09-09-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Sista,

There is a very strong movement among the Chinese Christians that is called "Back to Jerusalem", I read of this in the book called "The Heavenly Man".

These believers feel that due to the persecutions that they have endured, that they are uniquely equipped to evangelize the Middle East, in spite of the strong opposition to Christianity in the region.

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Brother,
Very interesting! I had not heard that. Book would no doubt be very
interesting also. Thanks,
Hugs,
Falla39

their website is backtojerusalem.com

Dedicated Mind · #45 09-09-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I use PERSON the same as I would use it in my case where my single person is father, son and husband. The person of the husband in my case is the same person as the father of my children. God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but one person. The big difference between our human persons and God's Person is that His person has the ability to both be Father and Son of the Father, where as that would require two human persons for us to achieve that same situation.

So Jesus Christ's PERSON was God's Person.

PS: This is where error came along. To demand that God must be at least two persons simply because human beings cannot be less than two persons in order to have a father and son of the father, is to limit God with the limitations of human beings. We are talking about DEITY's person when we talk about God, which none of us can claim about ourselves.

Your use of the term person is confusing to me. I think of God as body,soul and spirit. Body is the son, soul is the holyghost with elements of humanity and deity mixed; and spirit is father, diety fully manifest. That is how I understand God.

I guess my objective was to understand if Jesus was God? But it's not that simple. As a man he was not God but his person was God in soul and spirit. That is how I best understand your use of the term person.

Falla39 · #46 09-09-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

their website is backtojerusalem.com

Thank you, Dedicated Mind!

Falla39

mfblume · #47 09-09-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Your use of the term person is confusing to me. I think of God as body,soul and spirit. Body is the son, soul is the holyghost with elements of humanity and deity mixed; and spirit is father, diety fully manifest. That is how I understand God.

I see a point in this, but I have problems viewing God like that. The reason is that God is a Spirit. He hath not flesh and bones, Jesus said. So, while we are spirit, soul and body, Go dis just SPIRIT. But I do think there is a thought to be had in your words. However, it would only be a shadow for a thought, since God is not literally spirit, soul and body. Human beings are spirit, soul and body (1 Thess 5:23). And these elements are shadows of God's manifestations as Father, Son and Spirit. However, since there is no eternal Son, we cannot say God, Himself, is spirit, soul and body in that sense. God is eternal, but the Sonship had a beginning. If you equate the BODY with the SON, and SOUL with Holy Ghost and SPIRIT with FATHER, then for a time God was bodiless until the incarnation! Since God is eternal, I would rather view GOD by suing thoughts that signify eternality. Therefore, BODY = SON cannot be God, since the Son is not eternal.

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I guess my objective was to understand if Jesus was God? But it's not that simple. As a man he was not God but his person was God in soul and spirit. That is how I best understand your use of the term person.

I think it's more simple than that. If I could do the sort of things God does, I could turn myself into three different objects, and although each of them is different than the others, all three are MY PERSON since I turned myself into them. So, the things into which I turn myself cannot be persons in themselves.

Jesus is God in the sense that His flesh possessed a PERSON who was not distinct from God, whereas I have His Spirit in me and am a distinct person apart from God while I never existed before my conception. The PERSON of Jesus existed before His conception as God.