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View Poll Results: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Every Morning, without fail.
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This is a non-issue, you idiot!
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Only on Wednesdays and Sundays, right before church. 
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02-10-2009, 11:38 AM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
If you don't like it, you can find another church to attend and to serve in.
Don't you think the Pastor has the right to make rules and boundaries for the folks that help him lead the church in the direction of the vision that God has allowed the Pastor to have?
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No, I dont feel that the church belongs to the pastor. I believe the church is as much the saints, as it is the pastor's, and they can stay. And where pastors are not voted in, yet bloodlined in, and they call all the shots concerning outward personal convictions, teach them as doctorines and require them to be in ministry, then I agree that one unfortunately cannot serve via the way its set up. But is it N.T. biblical that way?
No i don't think that he ALONE has the right to make his OWN rules for the church, if they are unbiblical, and based on HIS OWN conviction or opinion. Furthermore, I believe that "church vision" should come from more than just one man, w/ his personal vision. Him even receiving 1/10th of the churches personal income, all because he is the "man of God" for that local assembly. How much of all this comes from the N.T.? "Obey them that have the rule over you...". Many teach that "trinity" isn't in the bible, but the word "pastor" (singular) is not in the N.T. either , and only 1 time in the plural. Yet its hanging on the sign in front of nearly all of church buildings, with the word reverend in front of it.
I'm for doing things the bible way, submitting to flock overseers per scripture, and letting the Holyghost lead us in personal convictions not spoken of in the bible. A little more Elders and Deacons, a little less one man in control, per N.T. that I've read anyway..
I do realize that a lot rides on unity of the brethren and of the "faith". No beards because others in the fellowship preach against it. I see the point, but don't really agree with it.
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02-10-2009, 12:07 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
Our pastor says straight out that the Bible doesn't prohibit beards, quite the opposite.... but our current church standard is not to have one, so as not to give offense to our brethren. (the eat-no-meat thing)
I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole issue fall away within the next 10 or 15 years.
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And thats what amazes me. Man made traditions carry the day.
Nothing wrong with it. Just dont do it.
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02-10-2009, 12:10 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Are you suggesting that it would be a good idea to leave a church simply because they discourage men from having beards?
I think that's a small point to quibble over.
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Why should one have to leave? Why cant those with no Bible, only their own preference repent and change? This simply reinforces the general thinking of Christendom that Oneness is a cult.
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02-10-2009, 12:11 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
And thats what amazes me. Man made traditions carry the day.
Nothing wrong with it. Just dont do it.
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I'm not a fan of man-made traditions myself..... but isn't that what Apostle Paul was saying about eating meat? Nothing wrong with it, but don't do it if it offends your brother?
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02-10-2009, 12:13 PM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
I'm not a fan of man-made traditions myself..... but isn't that what Apostle Paul was saying about eating meat? Nothing wrong with it, but don't do it if it offends your brother?
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Don't do it if it offends your weak brother...
This is a case of extra biblical commandments being taught from the pulpit. If there be any offense it was caused by pulpit teachings which have no basis in the Bible.
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02-10-2009, 12:29 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Don't do it if it offends your weak brother...
This is a case of extra biblical commandments being taught from the pulpit. If there be any offense it was caused by pulpit teachings which have no basis in the Bible.
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Exactly. The reason its offensive is because Preachers have taught it is wrong.
And for that matter if it offends me for people to wear suits and ties should they not all give them up to spare my feelings on the matter? See?
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02-10-2009, 12:32 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
and necklaces are acceptable, and sometimes urged or required in ministry, if they are made of cloth.
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If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend. Therein is a drop of honey that catches his heart...
Abraham Lincoln
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. - Eph. 4:29
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02-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Why should one have to leave? Why cant those with no Bible, only their own preference repent and change? This simply reinforces the general thinking of Christendom that Oneness is a cult.
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I didn't say they had to leave. LOL!!!! You said "most still attend" which seems to imply they should do otherwise.
So you believe it is wrong for a pastor to ask the church to abide by any personal preference? Not presented as a sin, but just "I think this is a good idea"?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-10-2009, 12:35 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Exactly. The reason its offensive is because Preachers have taught it is wrong.
And for that matter if it offends me for people to wear suits and ties should they not all give them up to spare my feelings on the matter? See?
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I'm aware of some pastors who have asked people to dress casually so as not to offend people who come in wearing whatever they have. Others ask the congregation to dress in their best, because they have the perspective that you should wear your best when you go to "God's house."
So are pastors wrong to do that?
And are you truly offended by suits and ties, or was that just TIC?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-10-2009, 12:36 PM
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Re: How Often Must a Man Shave to be Saved?
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Don't do it if it offends your weak brother...
This is a case of extra biblical commandments being taught from the pulpit. If there be any offense it was caused by pulpit teachings which have no basis in the Bible.
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This is where the "Obey them" is used as a catch-all to literally make anything biblical -whether it is biblical or not.
I have also always wondered why the harshest and strictest standard is always the "lowest common denominator" that must be followed? If a man who wears a wedding ring goes into a group who do not believe in them, why does HE have to be the one to remove it? Why will the others never put one ON for his sake?
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