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Old 12-12-2008, 07:29 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

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Bro Light,

We are on the same page on this one. If the light doctrine is taken to its natural conclusion, a Buddhist or Muslim would be saved as long as they follow all the light they know.
Yeah, and oh, that would be terrible!
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:46 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

Some times we use different terms for the "Light" Doctrine.

Bishop G.T. Haywood (head of the PAW for many years), S.G. Norris (head of ABI and responsible for teaching hundreds of Apostolic ministers), F.E. Curts (Superintendent of the Ohio UPC District and respected Bible teacher of a few years back), and others have taught over the years that Acts 2:38 is necessary to be in the Bride and in the Rapture but that at the second resurrection (Matthew 25:31-46, Rev. 20:11-15) all those who were not in the first resurrection will stand before God and be judged. They will be judged by how well they walked in the light that they had. Those who sincerely served God to the best of their knowledge will be rewarded in Heaven or the New Earth and those who rejected God and refused to walk in the light they had will go to the Lake of Fire.

I'm not arguing for or against this teaching. It is widely believed (but not widely mentioned) among Apostolic ministers. That's how I understand the "Light" doctrine or some times it's called "the holy and the righteous" doctrine.

Here is an excerpt from Bishop G.T. Haywood's book on the Resurrection in which he discusses this:

The Second Resurrection.
According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the
"blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second
resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the
difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who
did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and
wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that
Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goat
according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and
the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be
given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New
Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.
If we desire to take part in the first resurrection we must be
filled with the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. It
is the church of the First-born that takes part in the first
resurrection. To enter into that Church, which is his body, we must be
baptized into it by both water and the Spirit. (See John 3:5; Rom.
6:3-5; 1 Cor. 12:12, 13; Gal. 3:26-28.

The time for the first resurrection is at hand. Are you
preparing to meet the Bridegroom? You must get oil within your vessels
and have your lamps trimmed and burning. Soon shall we hear the
midnight cry - "BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH."
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:44 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

My parents are ABI graduates so the light doctrine was what I was taught. I can't say that I've been convinced otherwise.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:10 PM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

The light doctrine can not be confused with the doctrine or teaching of maturity. I believe that the Sister that started this thread really is thinking the two are the same. We must be born again (John 3) to enter the kingdom. That is clear. That also contradicts the light doctrine. Yet, spiritual maturity on the other hand takes the rest of our life. We should be learning all that time! That it why Paul said we were fools if we judge ourselves among ourselves.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:18 AM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

Anyone else?

FWIW, you're not going to push me off course or anything by saying I'm going to hell. I know what I believe and am very, very solid on this.

I have a theory and I would like more input before I explain why I posted this.

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Ok, so let me ask you a question.

Am I saved or not?

I repented. I was filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. And I was baptized in Jesus' name by a UPC preacher.

So I know right here you're scratching your head. "What does she mean, is she saved? Of course she is!"

But.

I walked away from God. I practiced witchcraft. I did everything I could think of doing to make it very clear to God I wasn't interested in Him or following Him ever again.

But.

Here I am.

Since I've been back, I have repented. I haven't been baptized again, and have been told I don't have to and that it's not even an option by some, and that it's up to me by others. I have not spoken with other tongues since being back. I *have* committed to pursuing an ever deepening relationship with God. Where that leads, it leads.

So, am I saved according to your doctrine?
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:39 AM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

If taken as a whole, the bible gives no exception for a person to be Born Again (saved) any other way that by repentance, baptism in Jesus Name, and receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

It is a nice thought that someone could just repent, and that God would allow them in the City because of His mercy. It is a nice thought to say that God is sovereign and can do what He wants to do. But Gods Word states plainly what one must do in order to ender the Kingdom. So to think that God will sidestep the plan that He laid out is foolishness and ignorance. He will fulfill what He has stated, and will back His Word weather it seems to us unjust or not. HE CANNOT LIE. If He has spoken it, He will bring it to pass. Thus if it does not SOUNDLY fit into what we have as Gods Word, then it is our private interpretation, and will only lead us into further darkness and misunderstanding of Gods plan.
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:40 AM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

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Anyone else?

FWIW, you're not going to push me off course or anything by saying I'm going to hell. I know what I believe and am very, very solid on this.

I have a theory and I would like more input before I explain why I posted this.

Sis,

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Re: The Light Doctrine

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We have the truth required for salvation.

It will take eternity to reveal all of God.
Acts 2:38 is the only truth required for salvation? I certainly question that.

Why does Paul say that heretics will not enter the Kingdom? Seems people who had obeyed Acts 2:38 could still be lost because of false doctrine.

19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It looks like we better have more light than just that.
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Old 12-13-2008, 11:15 AM
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Re: The Light Doctrine

For anyone to believe otherwise would doom millions and millions of ignorant people to hell who lived and died before our revelation of the scriptures was known of.


This is simply ludicrous!
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:58 PM
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For anyone to believe otherwise would doom millions and millions of ignorant people to hell who lived and died before our revelation of the scriptures was known of.


This is simply ludicrous!

It is only ludicrous to those that do not rightly divide scripture.
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