I read that his mother took citizenship in another country. I don't believe you can have dual citizenship as an American. If that's the case, his mother wasn't American when he was born, making him also not American.
If she was American, I believe there is still an issue. There might not be if he was born in the US, but if he was born in another country, it definitely is an issue, regardless of her citizenship.
I asked you for some evidence, HO. I really wanted to hear it. But your post is so full of speculation and supposition that it's not even funny.
You've read his mother took citizenship in another country? Did you ever bother to verify if its true or just another lie someone started on the internet?
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If she was American, I believe there is still an issue. There might not be if he was born in the US, but if he was born in another country, it definitely is an issue, regardless of her citizenship.
That goes back to the original question... Do you have any evidence that he was born in another country, instead of the State of Hawaii?
(I'm gonna assume that's a "no", until further notice.)
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Thank you for speaking out! I have refrained from posting about this election because I am so upset by the lies I see in publications and hear on conservative talk shows in the US and being embraced by apostolics. Like you I find this all very disgusting!
I have been a Republican all my life, but I am so turned off by the fear mongering tactics that I have witnessed this election that I will never support a Republican ever again.
I have one question for Christians. Should it not be that a Christian should be praying and seeking guidance from God as to who His choice is for President of the US? The office of president isn't a religious office, it's an executive office and we need the person who is best able to carry out those executive duties, not whether he reflects our religious convictions.
I have been praying - what makes you think Christians aren't? I've heard of many churches having prayer and fasting concerning the election this year.
The Bible makes it very clear that God puts leaders into office and removes them from office. God has a plan and purpose for the US in prophecy and I am convinced that whoever is elected on November 4TH will be God's choice not yours or mine.
What if Obama is God's choice in moving events forward to fulfill last day prophecy? I believe you should vote your convictions, but don't deceive yourself into thinking that your choice or mine is anything but that.
What if he is? That doesn't mean we have to embrace him - no questions asked. Matter of fact, you contradict yourself by saying he may be God's choice to fulfill prophecy. I understand what you are saying, but that's a sure enough sign that Christians WOULDN'T want him. If he wins, it WILL change America and not for the good (to fulfill prophecy).
I personally believe that Obama best represents the person who will be most apt to move events on the world stage in the direction prophesied in Scripture. This doesn't mean that I agree with all of his positions on the issues. I could be wrong as to who is God's choice and I guess the election will determine that.
And that is your right.
Meanwhile I plan to look at the facts rather than the twisted partisan fear mongering going on right now in conservative circles.
I believe that's what some of the hoopla is about - the facts. They seem to be a bit sugar coated at times. If this is the man that needs to be in place for this time - - then that could be why some of the facts aren't being presented clearly. .
I understand your frustration - it has been a dirty election year. I hope you won't criticize the Christians if they aren't on board when the anti-Christ is presented just because it's part of God's plan.
Well, welcome back TB.
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I read that his mother took citizenship in another country. I don't believe you can have dual citizenship as an American. If that's the case, his mother wasn't American when he was born, making him also not American.
If she was American, I believe there is still an issue. There might not be if he was born in the US, but if he was born in another country, it definitely is an issue, regardless of her citizenship.
His mother was American when he was born. She later took citizenship in Indonesia which is where the question lies - because he would have lost his US citizenship at that time.
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I asked you for some evidence, HO. I really wanted to hear it. But your post is so full of speculation and supposition that it's not even funny.
You've read his mother took citizenship in another country? Did you ever bother to verify if its true or just another lie someone started on the internet?
That goes back to the original question... Do you have any evidence that he was born in another country, instead of the State of Hawaii?
(I'm gonna assume that's a "no", until further notice.)
I never claimed to have evidence either way. I am just stating what I'd heard and read, that's all. I'm not making a case out of it.....LOL!
I intended for my post to be nothing but speculation and supposition. I didn't verify anything because I don't flat care, to be honest. It will only affect me if he becomes president.
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His mother was American when he was born. She later took citizenship in Indonesia which is where the question lies - because he would have lost his US citizenship at that time.
Gotcha. If my computer wasn't so slow, I'd look up the definitions to citizenship that I'd looked up before. I found out a lot of info I didn't know, and some had also changed as well.
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I never claimed to have evidence either way. I am just stating what I'd heard and read, that's all. I'm not making a case out of it.....LOL!
I intended for my post to be nothing but speculation and supposition. I didn't verify anything because I don't flat care, to be honest. It will only affect me if he becomes president.
Well gee, H.O., this discussion began because you responded (right HERE) to a post in which I was specifically asking if anyone had any such evidence. If you didn't have any such evidence, well...
So really, this whole back-and-forth could have been avoided.
Anyway... moving along.
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His mother was American when he was born. She later took citizenship in Indonesia which is where the question lies - because he would have lost his US citizenship at that time.
I'm 100% not sure if this is what you're getting at here but...I'll say this:
If his mother later took on Indonesian citizenship Barack Obama would not have lost his natural-born citizenship. (A child who is a natural born citizen does not lose his citizenship because of anything their parent does.)
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Well gee, H.O., this discussion began because you responded (right HERE) to a post in which I was specifically asking if anyone had any such evidence. If you didn't have any such evidence, well...
So really, this whole back-and-forth could have been avoided.
Anyway... moving along.
I'm 100% not sure if this is what you're getting at here but...I'll say this:
If his mother later took on Indonesian citizenship Barack Obama would not have lost his natural-born citizenship. (A child who is a natural born citizen does not lose his citizenship because of anything their parent does.)
That is true. He'd only lost it if he'd taken citizenship in Indonesian or do they allow dual citizenships?
Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be a "natural born" citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a "natural born" citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama's mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.
I'd think if there was any truth to this that someone would have spoken up by now. Or as TB has stated if it's God's will for BO to win, then it wouldn't matter.
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Well gee, H.O., this discussion began because you responded (right HERE) to a post in which I was specifically asking if anyone had any such evidence. If you didn't have any such evidence, well...
So really, this whole back-and-forth could have been avoided.
Anyway... moving along.
Is there something in the rules that says I have to only reply to posts I actually want to address or answer? LOL! I guess I missed that addendum!
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I'm 100% not sure if this is what you're getting at here but...I'll say this:
If his mother later took on Indonesian citizenship Barack Obama would not have lost his natural-born citizenship. (A child who is a natural born citizen does not lose his citizenship because of anything their parent does.)
I'm going to speculate further and say that if she took on Indonesian citizenship, it goes without saying that she did the same for her son as well.
And no, I don't have proof, just speculation. You're welcome!
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