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Old 01-09-2014, 02:13 PM
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Re: Survival is really the root of all evil

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The actual meaning is that the love of money is the root of "all kinds of evils". And indeed it is. However, the love of various carnal things can serve to be the root of other kinds of evils.


Man, you always present a solid analysis of things.

Now, how about this... Wouldn't there be a root evil from which springs the love of money, instead of the love of money being the root?
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:19 PM
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Re: Survival is really the root of all evil

Love of money is the root of some evil. I think selfishness is a better candidate, but not sure even that would cause all evil. That's not the same as self-preservation, by the way.
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If a man rapes a woman, is the love of money the root of that evil deed? Is it not, instead, the lust for power over the woman?
Right, Power and control.
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Love of money is the root of some evil. I think selfishness is a better candidate, but not sure even that would cause all evil. That's not the same as self-preservation, by the say.
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I have personally come to the conclusion that it is not the love of money but rather the need to survive that is really the root of all evil. I save money, like most of us try to do. I do this not to simply amass riches, but due to the survival instinct. Like in the past... prior to winter, people would stock up for the long bleak months when it is cold and there is no food readily available. I may not need the money now, but when I do, it is there.

Money is just a thing, a coin, a piece of paper. You can't eat it. But, if I'm holding onto some food and you are starving and have the will and the means to overpower me and take my food to survive and leave me for dead, then that is the greater root of evil, not something superficial like money.
The bible is correct Adam, being translated the way it should be. It says the LOVE of money is A root of many evils. It does not say money is the root of all evils

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
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The bible is correct Adam, being translated the way it should be. It says the LOVE of money is A root of many evils. It does not say money is the root of all evils

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
The KJV is so embedded in my heart and mind from all those years in the UPC, I lose track of the fact that there are many other translations.
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Re: Survival is really the root of all evil

But, I think Timmy nailed it. It really boils down to selfishness. And greed is a form of that. And Paul was also pointing to selfishness by talking about the greed for money. And then there's also the Gordon Gekko translation.
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The KJV is so embedded in my heart and mind from all those years in the UPC, I lose track of the fact that there are many other translations.
I've been going to a UPC for 30 years and almost never use the KJV...
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I've been going to a UPC for 30 years and almost never use the KJV...
aha... and therein lies the root of all evil in your life....
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Issuing dollars as debt as a government is not the problem. The problem is that it is not the government that is issuing dollars as debt...it is the federal reserve and the taxpayers must pay interest on that debt ro PRIVATE BANKERS who create dollars out of thin air for their own personal profit. THAT is what the problem is. If the government cut the private bankers out of the equation and issued the dollars itself in order to expand and contract the money supply that would be a different story.
Excellent economic lesson!

I'm wondering if shazeep is referring to bartering... which is working for something in order to get something else in return, without the exchange of a dollar bill. I would see that as a worthwhile thing to do.
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