Show Me the Money - Page 46

SDG · #**451** 07-13-2007, 01:04 AM

BTW, Prax ... I stated that the Levites did not own land several times in this thread ... and everyone knows they weren't the only tithe payers ...

Yet I'm done chasing red herrings ... a practice that is all to common w/ you ..... the primary point being drilled in this thread is that some are teaching the practice of tithing yet will not apply the same principles for its management ... because they want it all.

Digging4Truth · #**452** 07-13-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jebb

The BIBLE says God loves a cheerfull giver, and he will give it back pressed down and over-flowing. When God has your heart he'll have your wallet as well. Like the word says the love of money...J roc if you were pointed to the
cross you would stll be lost.

What does the bolded portion mean?

Digging4Truth · #**453** 07-13-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jebb

j-croc sounds to me like a preacher hater. dude you better put a lock on that wallet.

What was it that J Roc said that made you think that he is a preacher hater?

mizpeh · #**454** 07-13-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BTW, Prax ... I stated that the Levites did not own land several times in this thread ... and everyone knows they weren't the only tithe payers ...

Yet I'm done chasing red herrings ... a practice that is all to common w/ you ..... the primary point being drilled in this thread is that some are teaching the practice of tithing yet will not apply the same principles for its management ... because they want it all.

Dan, the primary point is who has God chosen to receive tithes. Whether or not the minister or ministers are deserving of 8 million is not our call. We all hope they will be good stewards, not greedy of filthy lucre, and spend the money wisely. Just as we are, right?

How the ministry spends those tithes is between them and God and is secondary. If they are like MOW and fully disclose then great if not and you think they are hirelings, find a new preacher. We cannot prejudge the minsistry and play God with how we distribute the money we give to God in the form of tithes.

Digging4Truth · #**455** 07-13-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Dan, the primary point is who has God chosen to receive tithes. Whether or not the minister or ministers are deserving of 8 million is not our call. We all hope they will be good stewards, not greedy of filthy lucre, and spend the money wisely. Just as we are, right?

Could you show us in scripture who God has chosen to receive tithes and what God instructed them to do with that tithe?

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

How the ministry spends those tithes is between them and God and is secondary. If they are like MOW and fully disclose then great if not and you think they are hirelings, find a new preacher. We cannot prejudge the ministry and play God with how we distribute the money we give to God in the form of tithes.

Is there any other portion of Christianity and stewardship that we leave totally without any accountability & oversight?

Felicity · #**456** 07-13-2007, 07:42 AM

If part of the point of this thread (I haven't read it other than the past couple of pages) was that there should be accountability, management, oversight and stewardship of the tithe or any other monies that are given in a church then I agree in a general sense.

There are good reasons for that other than that it's just good common sense. I'm sure those reasons have been pointed out by now.

Digging4Truth · #**457** 07-13-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

If part of the point of this thread (I haven't read it other than the past couple of pages) was that there should be accountability, management, oversight and stewardship of the tithe or any other monies that are given in a church then I agree in a general sense.

There are good reasons for that other than that it's just good common sense. I'm sure those reasons have been pointed out by now.

Yes ma'am... at least in my view... this subject has become relevant because the several mentions that seem to state that we should just simply trust and that is it.

You are so correct on this issue as well... there are plenty of very good reasons why we should have oversight & accountability in these issues. We read in the word about being a good steward of our money but yet so many refuse to do so in this one area.

Amos · #**458** 07-13-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan & Jrock after reflection I do think I was wrong in addressing(though I believe my perception) y'all are correct I do NOT know either of you and if I have judge you wrongly then accept my sincere apology. I do not think I will converse with either of you on another subject. Our worlds are too far apart and I have no desire to be part of your world and the feeling I am sure is mutual with you. I have and did pray for you and I am afraid I have provoked you in a negative way. Again forgive my musings and count them as the ramblings of an old man. Jrock I don't remember calling you a child of the devil but if I did so I was wrong and I want everyone on this forum to know I was wrong.

Posts like this reveal a true Shepherd's heart.

This is clearly a man that stands head and shoulders above most.

mizpeh · #**459** 07-13-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Could you show us in scripture who God has chosen to receive tithes and what God instructed them to do with that tithe?

I have posted scripture in different places in this thread and the other thread on tithing. I don't have time to do that today.

There isn't a new testatment command for the church to tithe, but some Christiansfollow the old testament practice of Abraham, Jacob, and the nation of Israel. Abraham gave the tithe to the priest, Jacob gave the tithe to God, Israel gave a tithe to the Levites. As far a I know, there was no instruction given by Moses to the priest or Levite regarding what to do with the tithe other than as a compensation or income to spend according to their needs and desires.

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Is there any other portion of Christianity and stewardship that we leave totally without any accountability & oversight?

We are ALL accountable to God and Paul went the extra mile to show himself approved unto men as well. So if ministers follow Paul's example as he followed Christ....I still think there would be saints who would begrudge the material things God has given them in support of the gospel.

Digging4Truth · #**460** 07-13-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

As far a I know, there was no instruction given by Moses to the priest or Levite regarding what to do with the tithe other than as a compensation or income to spend according to their needs and desires.

Num 18:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.
Num 18:27 And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.
Num 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.
Num 18:29 Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the LORD, of all the best thereof, [even] the hallowed part thereof out of it.
Num 18:30 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.
Num 18:31 And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it [is] your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.
Num 18:32 And ye shall bear no sin by reason of it, when ye have heaved from it the best of it: neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die.