Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict - Page 45

n david · #**441** 12-21-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Looks like the elderly man is acting uncooperative and arrogant toward the officer at the :50 mark. No habla ingles?

Again, is body slamming and threatening to tase a 70 year old man the proper thing to do? Is he really a threat to this young officer?

No, he's not a threat and the officer went way overboard.

Pressing-On · #**442** 12-21-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Again, is body slamming and threatening to tase a 70 year old man the proper thing to do? Is he really a threat to this young officer?

No, he's not a threat and the officer went way overboard.

His age isn't an excuse for resisting a police officer.

We were stopped one night, the police officer saying we were driving on the white line. We weren't, because we would have heard the noise created by passing the white line and driving on the sleeper lines (or whatever they are called). It's very loud if you pass the white line in either lane.

Anyway, we knew he was using an excuse to look for illegals or drugs. We cooperated and went home.

Just cooperate. The police officer was doing everything in front of his police cam. Unfortunately, we didn't get to hear what Perez was saying to him during the stop. Because of that, I am not going to make a judgment on the police officer. Any camera shot of an arrest is going to be ugly. We don't have all the facts.

Praxeas · #**443** 12-21-2014, 01:27 PM

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The police officer followed the law by stopping the vehicle. The temporary plate doesn't cover a vehicle inspection. It looked like to me that the elderly man didn't want to cooperate with the police officer. It is a felony to flee a police officer, hindering an investigation - no matter how old you are. The elderly man was walking off when the police officer was talking to him.

I'll have to watch again but I did not see that 70 year old man fleeing.

Praxeas · #**444** 12-21-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

His age isn't an excuse for resisting a police officer.

that does not answer the question of how to deal with a 70 year old man

Praxeas · #**445** 12-21-2014, 01:31 PM

I watch the video again. That cop is a jerk. He should be tazed and body slammed to the ground by a NFL offensive lineman

Pressing-On · #**446** 12-21-2014, 02:24 PM

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I'll have to watch again but I did not see that 70 year old man fleeing.

He is walking away when the Officer is speaking to him. That is fleeing from an investigation - it is evading detention. That is a felony. He should have allowed the Officer to complete the investigation, just like we did when we were stopped for no good reason. The Officer has a valid reason to make an arrest at that point.

In Texas, our transportation code states that a vehicle is exempt from requiring a valid inspection sticker IF the vehicle is displaying a Dealers License plate. The vehicle was not displaying a TX dealers license plate. It was displaying a temporary Texas buyer tag - making it a legal stop.

You can also hear Perez, on the video, saying that the plates were in the car. They aren't supposed to be IN the car.

He also got out of the car without the Officer telling him he could. You are not supposed to get out of your car.

Perez also struggled with the Officer when he was attempting to handcuff him. Just comply and you won't have any problems. The Officer was using minimal force until Perez began to struggle with him.

All of these things are red flags to a trained police officer. And being we don't get to hear what Perez was saying to the Officer WHILE the Officer knows full well he is on camera, makes we want to step back - I don't know enough to make a judgment against the Officer.

As to his age. It certainly didn't seem to bother Perez when he was evading detention. Looks like he felt he could handle himself while resisting arrest.

Just comply and stop the nonsense.

Praxeas · #**447** 12-22-2014, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He is walking away when the Officer is speaking to him. That is fleeing from an investigation - it is evading detention. .

No, because there is no reason to believe at the time he was being detained. All we see is he was pulled over. He seems to point in that direction for some reason. This is a 70 year old man who may or may not have been confused by what the police was asking

Then when the cop has the man go to the back of the car and the discuss the plates the man points at the plate and the cop detains him...why? If a cop just grabbed me I might resist at first. If a cop says "Im placing you under arrest for...." I would not resist.

Praxeas · #**448** 12-22-2014, 01:56 AM

BTW the reason he began walking towards the business is he helps out there. He was actually on his way there when this happened

"The incident happened Thursday after Robinson saw an expired inspection sticker on the car Vasquez was driving back to Adam's Auto Mart, 2801 N. Laurent St., where he helps with mechanical work.

Vasquez got out of the car, which is owned by the car lot, attempting to get the manager. He pointed out to the officer the dealer tags on the back of the car, which would make it exempt from having an inspection."

Craig said the police department's dash cam footage "raises some concerns."

Why would you arrest someone for expired tags?

"The internal investigation also will examine the details of the arrest. Driving with an expired inspection sticker is a Class C misdemeanor, typically addressed with a citation. Because Vasquez was driving a car with dealer tags, the car was exempt, Craig confirmed. Vasquez was released from the hospital without being cited."

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/new...for-tasing-dr/

n david · #**449** 12-22-2014, 06:43 AM

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His age isn't an excuse for resisting a police officer.

So in your mind the 23 year old officer was completely justified for using that kind of force and threat against this older man? There's nothing the officer could have done to try and deescalate the situation? He's fully justified body slamming a 70 year old, then tasing him? Seriously?! What kind of threat was this old man that this officer felt the need to TASE him!? Not just one time, but TWICE!?

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We were stopped one night, the police officer saying we were driving on the white line. We weren't, because we would have heard the noise created by passing the white line and driving on the sleeper lines (or whatever they are called). It's very loud if you pass the white line in either lane.

Anyway, we knew he was using an excuse to look for illegals or drugs. We cooperated and went home.

That's nice. I'm sure the officer appreciated you willingly surrendering your civil liberties during his bogus traffic stop.

I have my own bogus traffic stop story, but you'd probably just say I was lying like the last time I posted a personal story.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Just cooperate. The police officer was doing everything in front of his police cam. Unfortunately, we didn't get to hear what Perez was saying to him during the stop. Because of that, I am not going to make a judgment on the police officer. Any camera shot of an arrest is going to be ugly. We don't have all the facts.

Well, there is the bit after the 70 year old was body slammed to the ground that we can't see the officer or what he's doing. We next see him get up and tase the man. Seriously?! What kind of threat was this old man that this officer felt the need to TASE him!? Not just one time, but TWICE!?

It's apparent you give officers a massive amount of allowance in use of physical force.

The PD Chief stated this man should never have been pulled over or arrested. Perhaps the officer should learn the law before trying to enforce it.

Watched the video again. It's even worse the second time. Hard to hear anything, what with the rap music blaring in the officer's car.

The man was trying to explain the license plate and tag. If the officer would have taken 2 minutes to listen to this man explain. But no, the officer is a 23 year old hothead who decided instead to slam the 76 year old man against the hood, then body slam him to the ground, tase him twice and then wrongly arrest him.

There is no excuse for this officer. There are times when use of force is justified, and there are times it's not. It's okay to criticize the police when they do wrong. This is one of those times when an officer was clearly in the wrong.

He doesn't know the law. He abused his authority and violated use of force since he was not in any danger from the man. He should be fired, else next time this officer will be in the news for shooting an unarmed person.

n david · #**450** 12-22-2014, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I watch the video again. That cop is a jerk. He should be tazed and body slammed to the ground by a NFL offensive lineman

I'd settle for him just turning in his badge and gun. An officer needs to know the law before trying to enforce it. And if he doesn't know the law, or has questions about it, he should be mature enough to step back and call it in. This kid is 23, blaring rap music in his police vehicle and doesn't have common sense to be a police officer. He's fortunate the man didn't have a pacemaker, else being tased twice would likely have killed him. And for what, an unlawful traffic stop and arrest.