How close should a pastor get to the members?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

OneAccord,

Thank you for true words of knowledge and wisdom. I do believe and accept this. A true Pastor over me will realize and know that trust has to be gained and the hurts healed before true ministry can happen either way.

Thank you,
Rhoni

Rhoni,
We voted in a pastor and this was his prayer - "Lord, would you send us to a church full of hurting people because we have a lot of love to give."

My husband and I were saying how nice it is to come to church and not feel stressed out, pressured and tense. I didn't think I would ever feel this way. It's been a long haul, let me tell you!

I stand here astonished that what God promised us years ago, and I'm talking years ago, is now coming to pass. I don't know why He takes us on some of our journeys, but if we just hold on to a promise, it will come to pass. God is faithful!!!!

Against hope believe in hope!

[Amos]

There are Scriptural principles to apply to any area of life.

To imply otherwise is an insult to the wisdom and completeness of God and His Word.

"We are complete in Him..."

"In Him are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge..."

What a terribly presumptuous attitude...that God left holes in His holy Book that have to be filled by secular counselors, many of whom have minds steeped in godless psychology and other humanistic ideologies.

Good grief.

[aak1972]

Originally Posted by Amos

There are Scriptural principles to apply to any area of life.

To imply otherwise is an insult to the wisdom and completeness of God and His Word.

"We are complete in Him..."

"In Him are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge..."

What a terribly presumptuous attitude...that God left holes in His holy Book that have to be filled by secular counselors, many of whom have minds steeped in godless psychology and other humanistic ideologies.

Good grief.

The pastors I know of have no formal training in counseling. There is a degree of tact that needs to be taken with anyone in a life altering situation. We dont need to go to someone and confide in them only to be blasted about sin in our life. Another example; if you were thinking about buying a new family vehicle and you asked you pastor for counsel on the matter and he told you to buy the 2009 Expedition. You do and 6 months later the thing turns out to be a lemon. Who will you blame? You know you will its human nature.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Amos

Sister, it has been pointed out in a few posts that you have opinions and views that directly contradict the Scripture.

I believe I would give that some thought.

No, it has been pointed out that another's personal interpretation of what the scripture says is not what the scripture means in context.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Amos]

Originally Posted by aak1972

The pastors I know of have no formal training in counseling. There is a degree of tact that needs to be taken with anyone in a life altering situation. We dont need to go to someone and confide in them only to be blasted about sin in our life. Another example; if you were thinking about buying a new family vehicle and you asked you pastor for counsel on the matter and he told you to buy the 2009 Expedition. You do and 6 months later the thing turns out to be a lemon. Who will you blame? You know you will its human nature.

You have given an absurd example.

Nobody should need pastoral counsel about which model of vehicle to buy.

Professional counselors don't deal with that kind of thing either.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by aak1972

The pastors I know of have no formal training in counseling. There is a degree of tact that needs to be taken with anyone in a life altering situation. We dont need to go to someone and confide in them only to be blasted about sin in our life. Another example; if you were thinking about buying a new family vehicle and you asked you pastor for counsel on the matter and he told you to buy the 2009 Expedition. You do and 6 months later the thing turns out to be a lemon. Who will you blame? You know you will its human nature.

This is so true. I discussed it with a Bible College President and He agreed that the counseling should be incorporated into the Theology programs. A good counselor will not give advice but will help the client to explore all their options and make the decision based on the facts as it pertains to the clients own value system.

When someone gives advice and it turns out to be wrong for the person then they will blame the advice giver whether they sought the advice out or not. Untrained leadership should never give counseling unless it is scriptural or spiritual. And you don't push or pull a client you walk beside them and guide them.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

No, it has been pointed out that another's personal interpretation of what the scripture says is not what the scripture means in context.

Blessings, Rhoni

You haven't been able to explain away Maple Leaf's post, Miss B's post, or my post.

Black and white Scripture, no interpretation stuff.

You were very clearly, concisely, and courteously proven wrong on statements that you made. Statements that directly contradict the clear reading of Scripture.

Hiding behind the "that's just your interpretation" line doesn't fool much of anybody.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Amos

You haven't been able to explain away Maple Leaf's post, Miss B's post, or my post.

Black and white Scripture, no interpretation stuff.

You were very clearly, concisely, and courteously proven wrong on statements that you made. Statements that directly contradict the clear reading of Scripture.

Hiding behind the "that's just your interpretation" line doesn't fool much of anybody.

Maple Leaf is the only one who gave the correct interpretation of scripture.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Maple Leaf is the only one who gave the correct interpretation of scripture.

Interpret away Paul's word to Timothy--"These things command and teach."

That is black and white, Sis.

[Amos]

You never explained away Miss B's post either.