Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by canam

Only one problem" HIS PEL" it belonged to a dead man who died intestate leaving it active and illegally used.

And your "proof" of this "illegally used" is found where in your post? Another April Fools joke?

And what does, ... " HIS PEL" ... mean?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

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NO OTHER PRESIDENT has gone through such groundless suspicion over his citizenship-- not 3 years of it! NO ONE!

Yet you want to deny that there is an element of hate involved in all of this.


Most of the time, hate is irrational.
The birther conspiracy is irrational.

You are deceived-- doesn't mean you are hateful. The people that keep bringing this issue up, the ones who dwell on it, they're the one fomenting the hate and groundless suspicions for the man as they seek to delegitimize not just his Presidency, but his very identity as an American!

But you don't know why this is offensive....

Whatever.

You are absolutely correct about the "his citizenship" part, however most Presidents have been subjected to a constant barrage of irrational taunts and insults.

Even Washington was subjected to a constant whisper campaign. Kennedy was going to let the Pope rule America and had "dual citizenship" with the Vatican State on account of his Catholicism. Ronald (6 letters) Wilson (6 letters) Reagan (6 letters) was supposed to be The Antichrist! And, look at the outright hatred and bile GWB had to endure.

In most cases, those who spew such irrational and aberrational thinking are really telling us more about themselves than they are telling us about whoever the President happens to be.

[houston]

He's a citizen? I believe that as much as I believe he didn't know his godly pastor is a racist!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I think its an interesting debate. Neither side can prove he was in spite of Democrats stating it definitively.

The most "definitive" proof comes from the then REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. The doofs at World Nut Daily misrepresent her words as having "reignited" the debate, but she really laid it to rest as far as most Republicans are concerned. See attached PDF.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

If it really was a non-issue, the White House would stay mum about Trump. This weekend a right hand man of BO was on the Sunday talk shows calling him a "sideshow" and that he had "zero chance" of becoming president. Why give Trump any credibility if he's such a clown and a political lightweight?

Evidently Trump has struck a nerve. The White House seems kind of touchy about the so-called "birther" issue. Why so sensitive? Makes one wonder...

The "Birther" aspect is a non-issue. Trump is a "sideshow" and his percipitous rise in the polls says more about the weakness of the Republican field than about the alleged sanity of a "Candidate Trump."

Trump is pandering to the lowest bottom feeders of the Conservative movement. I am greatly disappointed to find you among their ranks, Deke. I always respected and enjoyed your take on things.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

There's plenty to choose from that will defeat Obama. Usually current events take care of the elections. If the economy and housing markets are sluggish, if unemployment remains high, if gas prices are through the roof, if prices of goods are high, if interest rates increase, if the dollar continues to decline, etc. Fred Flinstone could run against Obama and win.

He's not as formidable as you make him---politically he's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

"Plenty to choose from that will defeat Obama???" I wish you were right. Currently, the Republicans look as if they're poised to reelect Obama.

While he is vulnerable - just 19% in a recent poll stated they "strongly favor" the President - unless someone rational distinguishes himself or herself on the Republican side soon enough that they can start raising HUGE amounts of cash, we might just end up seeing 2008 replay itself out all over again.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Yet you want to deny that there is an element of hate involved in all of this.


Most of the time, hate is irrational.
The birther conspiracy is irrational.

Whatever.

Jermyn...do you really have to yell?

There are some people who may leech on to certain movements because of hatred. That hatred may have a root in racism or simply political party. There's always going to be "an element of hate" involved in political arguments. Sliding both ways. That doesn't really apply to the discussion here, though, or mean anything in the way of figuring out whether the citizenship issue is a legitimate question.

Personally, I think it was a legitimate question--one that has been satisfactorily answered.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by houston

He's a citizen? I believe that as much as I believe he didn't know his godly pastor is a racist!

And "belief" is all you've got for proof.

You see, Conservatives are characterized by certain qualities. Among these qualities are pragmatism, logic and a real sense of fair play. If you lack those qualities then you are probably more in line with the Radicals, Socialists, Populists and their ilk along with others in the Democrat Party.

The same bad thinking that has gone into the "Young Earth" debate fits quite nicely within the Democrat Party as well. Remember, William Jennings Bryan was a three-time Democrat nominated candidate for President and one of the most zealous and "articulate" anti-evolution proponents of the "Young Earth" model.

The Dems seem to almost always attract people who have a problem using their minds. Perhaps you are attacking Obama here because you are a Hillary supporter?

If not, then why don't you consider joining the Conservative movement? You will have to do some "house cleaning" in your mind - but I believe that you will benefit from the experience.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This is the document that I used to get my driver's license when I was 16 (an earlier copy), to get my U.S. Passport and to prove my status as a citizen when I registered to vote and when I was required to show it for employment purposes.

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You seem to think getting a drivers license and proof of being a natural born citizen are the same.

They aren't and you don't understand. One of your crack pipe tangents.

No wonder you can't see what the presenting issues are. You not only seem to be unpatriotic, but this Obama hasn't even been elligilbe to get a top secret security clearance. with the documents he shows. In other words, he couldn't pass investigation and be equal to the secret Service that protects him. If you were patriotic, you would want the constitution to be respected in this matter.

Just take a deep breath and relax.

[deacon blues]

Pel, Obama would not be where he is for a myriad of reasons but forst and foremost the economic crisis hitting 6 weeks before the election cemented his win in November. McCain was leading for weeks leading up to late Sept '08. After the banking crisis BO led all the way to Election Day. Compare the state of affairs in '79 and you'll see there are many parallels to Jimmy Carter's first term: high unemployment, high gas prices, sluggish economy, devalued dollar, inept foreign policy, timid leadership, feckless domestic agenda. I will concede we don't have a Ronald Reagan out there ramping up against him, butI don't believe that BO and his team are savvy enough to right the ship enough to get him reelected. I hate to say it, but I think the economy is going to get worse before it gets better and the mantra "Its George Bush's fault" will be a hollow echo that has lost its effectiveness. Reagan had the economy turned around within 3 years after being elected. There is hardly an indicator that BO can point to that leads anyone to believe that things are getting better.

This debt ceiling debate is really going to expose Obama's unwillingness to do anything courageous. They are going to sit back and criticize the GOP plan as an attack on the poor and middle class and elderly, but they will have to lie to do it. I think the facts will be manifest as long as good men like Ryan, Cantor and Boehner keep speaking forthrightly and not getting sucked into the political gamesmanship. Current events will be what frames the debate, not failed economic theories. Realities on the street: high gas prices, higher food prices, fewer jobs, less consumer confidence will drive this election. BO doesn't have the tools to combat that, no matter how they spin it.

As far as being disappointed with me, sorry about that. I don't think it will win anyone an election nor cause anyone to lose one. The only game changer on that issue is if someone can really prove definitively one way or the other. There will be those who will adamantly believe he is a fraud, others will believe those that think so are kooky and a lot of folks in the middle that in the end don't care. I think Trump asks some interesting questions and the fact that BO's people have decided to take swipes at him already makes me wonder what they are talking about behind closed doors. Why would they want to lend any credibility to Trump by taking some shots at him last Sunday? If he was absolutely no threat, why even acknowledge him when he hasn't even formally declared? They sure are acting funny all of the sudden. I don't believe it will be the issie that drives this election however.

If BO can get elected hanging out with the Weather Underground guys, Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright then anybody can get elected! Palin, Trump, Bachmann, et al are not even close to being out of the mainstream as BO was/is. If the economy is bad---BO is on trouble.

[canam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

And your "proof" of this "illegally used" is found where in your post? Another April Fools joke?

And what does, ... " HIS PEL" ... mean?

"Head in the sand PEL" )

[houston]

How did you get "Hillary" supporter out of my comment?